On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:57:06 GMT, jesucristo2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(marques de
sade) wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:36:55 +0900, dh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>> The last I heard humans still have not been able to create
>>living organizms from lifeless matter. If not, then as yet we have
>>no reason to believe it just happened to occur without any help,
>>since we still can't make it happen with lots of help.
>
>but we're in our early stages of development, remember? what are
>you saying about our potential, here...
My point is that if humans can't duplicate the conditions and
produce life from lifeless material even when they deliberately
try using all the technology etc we have available, then it seems
likely that it may not have just happened to happen by chance.
>are we gonna be retards forever in your schema?
We can't know. A number of things could knock us back
to a primitive type of existence if we survive at all, like plague,
or meteor impact, or nuclear war. On the other hand maybe
humans will learn to thrive in space, survive for millions or
billions of years and advance in ways we can't even think
of, survive the cycles of expansion and contraction the
universe is going through if that's what it's doing, and have
influence on the life that develops in future cycles. Maybe
similar beings are already doing that, and we think of them as
God.
>> Taking it
>>beyond that we could ask how the creator came to be then,
>>if it can't.
>
>i.e. if everything needs a creator, you never reach the original
>creator. there's always one more behind the last one...
>
>>So even if life on Earth could not have begun without
>>help, we still are left to wonder how the creator could have come
>>to be without help...
>
>no ****, sherlock...
So it's little or no more fantastic one way or the other...with
or without a creator.
>> That being the case it seems we must
>>assume that some life must have begun without the help of a
>>creator,
>
>could it be the help of .............................. SATAN?!?
>(obligatory church lady reference)
>
>>even if a creator did have influence on the development
>>of our Universe, and/or life on Earth...whatever...etc...
>
>a superfluous creator, if you will...
>
>>
>>>I suspect our inability to find life elswhere is
>>>due to the primitive nature of the tools we're using to search for it.
>>
>> Well since we can't even go look, yeah we are primitive.
>
>what about all those crafts in other planets... we're somewhat
>advanced, i mean... it blows my mind sometimes what we can do.
We can't even protect ourselves from meteor impacts, much
less mine the asteroids and planets, enriching life on Earth as
we move out to populate our solar system etc. It's great what
we can do, but pathetic what we can't.
>>How abundant life is or is not is an entirely different topic.
>>
>>>Of course, from here you'll suggest a "supernatural" origin for the
>>>chemicals...
>>
>> If a creator does exist, I have no doubt he had whatever influence
>>he needed to in order to do the creating.
>
>maybe he delegated some power to 'the beast', rather than handling
>it all on his own... you can't prove it didn't occur, right?
Maybe he did, and the beast betrayed him or let him down
or something. Whatever he had been doing, apparently he
screwed it up somehow.
>>>> >> >Just try to use your imagination for
>>>> >> >a moment, and I'll attempt to explain to you how it sounds to us.
>>>>
>>>> >> I don't have to use my imagination because I do consider
>>>> >> the possibility that God does not exist, as well as the
possibility
>>>> >> that he does.
>>>>
>>>> >Which is an indicator of the deeper problem. You are still pondering
>>>> >about whether or not gods exist.
>>>>
>>>> As yet I have no reason to put faith in either possibility.
>>>
>>>But yet, you still ponder it. Do you spend this much time worrying
>>>about the existence of bicycle-riding unicorns on Neptune?
>>
>> I have faith that there isn't even one on the whole planet.
>
>not as much as the faith i have that your creator-myth is
>bull****...
Yet you want to believe that some supposed mindless force
has some significant though not deliberate influence on everything
in the universe at the same time...or at least that's the impression
I got from you. Then again you completely flip-flop from one idea
to another, and one belief to another. I know you said you believed
in multiple lives for individuals at one point, and then later denied it,
and then again recently you acted like you did believe it because
the energy would have to go someplace, or whatever.
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