On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:36:55 +0900, dh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> The last I heard humans still have not been able to create
>living organizms from lifeless matter. If not, then as yet we have
>no reason to believe it just happened to occur without any help,
>since we still can't make it happen with lots of help.
but we're in our early stages of development, remember? what are
you saying about our potential, here... are we gonna be retards
forever in your schema?
> Taking it
>beyond that we could ask how the creator came to be then,
>if it can't.
i.e. if everything needs a creator, you never reach the original
creator. there's always one more behind the last one...
>So even if life on Earth could not have begun without
>help, we still are left to wonder how the creator could have come
>to be without help...
no ****, sherlock...
> That being the case it seems we must
>assume that some life must have begun without the help of a
>creator,
could it be the help of .............................. SATAN?!?
(obligatory church lady reference)
>even if a creator did have influence on the development
>of our Universe, and/or life on Earth...whatever...etc...
a superfluous creator, if you will...
>
>>I suspect our inability to find life elswhere is
>>due to the primitive nature of the tools we're using to search for it.
>
> Well since we can't even go look, yeah we are primitive.
what about all those crafts in other planets... we're somewhat
advanced, i mean... it blows my mind sometimes what we can do.
>How abundant life is or is not is an entirely different topic.
>
>>Of course, from here you'll suggest a "supernatural" origin for the
>>chemicals...
>
> If a creator does exist, I have no doubt he had whatever influence
>he needed to in order to do the creating.
maybe he delegated some power to 'the beast', rather than handling
it all on his own... you can't prove it didn't occur, right?
>
>>> >> >Just try to use your imagination for
>>> >> >a moment, and I'll attempt to explain to you how it sounds to us.
>>>
>>> >> I don't have to use my imagination because I do consider
>>> >> the possibility that God does not exist, as well as the possibility
>>> >> that he does.
>>>
>>> >Which is an indicator of the deeper problem. You are still pondering
>>> >about whether or not gods exist.
>>>
>>> As yet I have no reason to put faith in either possibility.
>>
>>But yet, you still ponder it. Do you spend this much time worrying
>>about the existence of bicycle-riding unicorns on Neptune?
>
> I have faith that there isn't even one on the whole planet.
not as much as the faith i have that your creator-myth is
bull****...
--
`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the
Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an
organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe,
energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering
interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same
forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned
astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional
connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind
and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected''
--B.D. Abramson
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