Re: Ben Stein's Movie EXPELLED - Could we have been "designed" by Space Aliens?

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:59:21 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

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>David Johnston wrote:
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>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:55:23 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
>> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
>> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> What if evolution could do it and an
>> >> >intelligence could do it too?
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>> >> Then ID has nothing to offer.
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>> >What you are saying is that it is *impossible* for any other force
>> >to have affected Earth's biote. I can't believe we know that.
>> 
>> I'm saying nothing of the kind.  It is self evident that other forces
>> have affected Earth's "biote".  Sunlight for example.  Meteorites.
>> What I am saying however, is that aliens do not offer an answer to the
>> question "How did life originate" because the aliens are themselves
>> alive.
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>It can answer how life on earth began, in principle. You think
>because there can't be a never-ending queue of aliens creating the
>aliens that created the aliens on forever to the aliens who created
>us that therefore there can't be aliens that created us. 

I think no such thing. 

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>This is sort of a side question, but I'm not convinced that God (et
>al.) couldn't in principle be useful in some cir***stance to answer
>some question scientifically. The first problem clearly is that you
>have to define what you mean by "God".

Well in this case, God has to be something that is not alive,  is far
more intelligent than us, can affect the physical universe, ignores
laws of conservation, and never came into existence.