Re: Msg fm Dov re: Master Teacher

"Deborah" <deborah@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:21:54 -0400, "carrie" <starchild1124@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>>"Deborah" <deborah@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT), Robin <miracleweb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 18, 12:25 am, Deborah <debo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 22:02:21 -0700 (PDT), george
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <georgeculol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> >On May 17, 9:49 pm, Deborah <debo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:27:25 -0700 (PDT), george
>>>>>
>>>>> >> <georgeculol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> >> >My only study comes from the inside where I find all my answers.

>>>>> >> >But
>>>>> >> >follow my posts from a few days ago and it says in the book all
>>>>> >> >things
>>>>> >> >are planned for your good. I'll find it for you. May 15th check 
>>>>> >> >the
>>>>> >> >post from me there are only two in it. It says
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >> -  What could you not accept, if you but knew
>>>>> >> >>    that everything that happens, all events,
>>>>> >> >>    past, present and to come, are gently planned
>>>>> >> >>    by One Whose only purpose is your good?
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >This is said beautifully here and is all I've been trying to put
>>>>> >> >forth in many of my posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Well, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, George.  Let's have a look at the
>>>>> >> rest
>>>>> >> of the quote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> "What could you not accept, if you but knew that everything that
>>>>> >> happens, all events, past, present and to come, are gently
planned 
>>>>> >> by
>>>>> >> One Whose only purpose is your good? Perhaps you have
misunderstood
>>>>> >> His plan, for He would never offer pain to you. But your defenses

>>>>> >> did
>>>>> >> not let you see His loving blessing ****ne in every step you ever
>>>>> >> took.
>>>>> >> While you made plans for death, He led you gently to eternal
life."
>>>>>
>>>>> >> I don't think you can mix this in with the physical plane,
because 
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> isn't ABOUT the physical plane.  Later in Lesson 135, there is 
>>>>> >> this:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> "If there are plans to make, you will be told of them.  They may 
>>>>> >> not
>>>>> >> be the plans you thought were needed, nor indeed the answers to
the
>>>>> >> problems which you thought confronted you.  BUT THEY ARE ANSWERS
TO
>>>>> >> ANOTHER KIND OF QUESTION, WHICH REMAINS UNANSWERED YET IN NEED OF
>>>>> >> ANSWERING UNTIL THE ANSWER COMES TO YOU AT LAST".
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Go on to Lesson 136, if it isn't clear enough from this that
God's
>>>>> >> plan for salvation is, essentially, that time cannot come to 
>>>>> >> encroach
>>>>> >> on eternity.  The illusion cannot change reality.  God's plan for
>>>>> >> salvation, IOW, has already been carried out.  We but defend 
>>>>> >> against
>>>>> >> it with our little lives on earth and everything that seems to 
>>>>> >> happen
>>>>> >> to us here.  God's plan for salvation means that our detour into 
>>>>> >> time
>>>>> >> will not prevail.
>>>>>
>>>>> >I agree with all your conclusions except the one that disagrees
with
>>>>> >what the book states.
>>>>>
>>>>> >What could you not accept, if you but knew
>>>>> >that everything that happens, all events,
>>>>> > past, present and to come, are gently planned
>>>>> >by One Whose only purpose is your good?
>>>>> >I KNOW this to be true, here and now. All things are for my good
NOW.
>>>>> >Everyone is perfect and sinless NOW! I've proven this to myself in 
>>>>> >the
>>>>> >same way I've proven God to myself, by my experience. You don't
have
>>>>> >to believe it, by why wouldn't you want to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it is true here and now, George.  Truth is truth always.  But
>>>>> truth has nothing to do with the physical plane.  It has to do with
>>>>> who we are in reality.  The course asks "Who is the you who is
living
>>>>> in this world" for a reason.  The reason is because it is an
illusory
>>>>> self that is living in this world.  You can lay down that illusory
>>>>> self at will, but if you're not prepared to do that, then best to
deal
>>>>> with the world in worldly terms, IMO.  Nothing wrong with looking
for
>>>>> the good.  Nothing wrong with making that your focus.  But it's just
>>>>> balderdash to pretend to see love in a serial killer when he's
intent
>>>>> on killing you.  I like to keep my levels unconfused.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deborah (BC)
>>>>
>>>>You are really into "what ifs" - heres one for you, what if by George
>>>>seeing Love everywhere, he never attracted the serial killer into his
>>>>field...
>>>
>>> Didn't work for him with respect to the guy who B & E'd his house...
>>
>> That could be showing he wasn't really doing it (seeing only love and
not
>>attracting anything else) like he thought.
>> Or maybe the burgler needed what was stolen more than George did?
>> It's only "things".
>> Someone who really seeing only love would only experience love and no
one
>>would "try and kill" him.
>> There are many stories like this, one was someone who saw Peace Pilgrim
>>walking, and thinking here is an older woman, walking along, with maybe
>>something to steal, got closet to her and saw two big, strong men
walking 
>>on
>>either side of her, they hadn't noticed from a distance.
>> Even though she was, still walking alone.
>> The course says only the need for defense (fear) creates attack and
harm.
>>  Either the course is true or it isn't.
>
> You are into level confusion big time, Carrie.  What needs no defence
> is what can't be threatened, and that is hardly the body.  When the
> course teaches "in my defencelessness my safety lies" it is teaching
> that we should identify with spirit rather than body.
>
> I can tell you just as many (true) stories of murder victims about
> whom all the family, friends and neighbours said "He/She was the most
> loving, trusting person, who would give anybody the ****rt off his/her
> back."

   You are going by the assumption that "dead" is something bad.
    People who have medically "died" and been brought back to life (to the

body) have discribed it as a wonderful state, they didn't want to leave
and 
come back to form.
 The course says that dying (leaving the body) is a choice.Nothing happens

by accident or chance.
 But, however you want to see it (and me seeing it) is okay with me. I 
wouldn't try and convince you otherwise.


>
> Deborah (BC)