On May 17, 3:22=A0pm, MikeRyder <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sat, 17 May 2008 14:52:58 -0700 (PDT), george
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> >On May 17, 2:20=A0pm, MikeRyder <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 14:03:49 -0700 (PDT), george
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> >> >On May 17, 1:41=A0pm, Mike <gurustom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> On May 17, 3:32 pm, george <georgeculol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > On May 17, 12:59 pm, Deborah <debo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > > On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:38:44 -0400, "Katie"
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> >> >> > > >"Deborah" <debo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > > >news:uc8u24tno7u3d0uuvaquo5s6n44avg3ipi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > > >>>It was so moving and inspirational that at
> >> >> > > >>>the end of it, I jumped to my feet with tears in my eyes
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> >> >> > > >>>a standing ovation.
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> >> >> > > Those are George's words, not mine.
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> >> >> > > Deborah (BC)
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> >> >> > Katie have you ever felt inspired? It moves the soul and takes
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> >> >> > It was a wonderful feeling. Writers get inspired and I know you
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> >> >> =A0 =A0Hackneyed phrases and bland descriptions do not a writer
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> >> >> =A0Tell us what inspires you to jump to your feet and give someone
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> >> >> > standing ovation.
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> >> >> =A0 Anyone who survives two hours of dominatrix torture.
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> >> >> =A0I'd like to have a real dialog with you if you want.
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> >> >> > It's hard to read the same comments over and over how we are all
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> >> >> > deluding ourselves with ACIM and how everyone is an assholey.
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> >> >> > trying to help us?
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> >> >> =A0 =A0 Are you kidding?
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> >> >> =A0Why not have a real dialog and put your ideas up
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> >> >> > against what I believe ACIM says.
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> >> >> =A0 =A0 Katie has no ideas.
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> >> >> =A0I believe it is a course on what
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> >> >> > love is and how to practice love. I'm only trying to make the
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> >> >> > better place and maybe you are right I'm deluded so why not help
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> >> >> > see the truth or is that not what you are trying to do?
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> >> >> =A0 =A0 Katie cannot teach you truth. =A0One cannot give what one
> >> >> =A0 =A0 does not have.
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> >> >> =A0If it isn't,
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> >> >> > what ARE you trying to accomplimplish here?
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> >> >> =A0 =A0 Doh! =A0She is here merely here to disrupt discussion and
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> >> >> =A0 =A0 knock course students off of their path. =A0This is her
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> >> >How do you know what she thinks and feels? Why not give her the
> >> >benefit of answering for herself. I'm aware of the way she has
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> >> >to people here on the Ng and because it=92s a NG about ACIM or as I
> >> >believe a course on love, wouldn't it be a great op****tunity to
> >> >practice what it says? Katie is just another human being exactly
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> >> >the rest of us at her core. God created us all and no one can live
> >> >without the light he put there, so it IS there. We all live in this
> >> >world, the ego has been trying to convince us is hell and in its
> >> >interpretation it IS hell. ACIM is about changing our perceptions to
> >> >see the light the ego is trying so hard to hide. The light IS in
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> >> >and everyone else, why not use this forum as a way to speak to it,
> >> >instead of what the ego wants to tell you about her? We are all
> >> >troubled, we are all in pain until we CHOOSE to heal the split that
> >> >causes the pain and suffering. It's a choice FOR love that has to be
> >> >made again and again but isn't that what we all want? God's peace
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> >> >love in everyone and everything. The funniest part is, it's ALREADY
> >> >there, we just have to recognize it.
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> >> How do Hitler, Idi Amin, the military rulers of Myanmar, and
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> >We are all the same. Love is what I want to give everyone. I want to
> >judge NO ONE as worthy of anything except my love. I can't judge
> >anything or anyone as not worthy. I'm not God. I don't know what he
> >intends or plans but I CAN have faith in him and I do. We are all here
> >only a few short years so why EVER CHOOSE to judge someone as
> >unworthy? What is the upside? Will judgeing and condemning ever get
> >the peace of God or is it joyous? So why not let the past go and let
> >the Holy Spirit percieve it in some positive fa****on? It can be done
> >about everyone and everything and is only a choice.
> >I was in Sequoia this week and found out that the giant trees can't
> >live without what the ego would call devastating fires. If there is no
> >fire the trees don't drop their seeds. To the ego this is a
> >devastating fire but to the Spirit it is a chance to grow for 3000
> >years. When the deer is eaten by the mountain lion is it a tragedy?
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> You're waxing philosophical again. The issue is not about judging
> another as unworthy of love. It is about taking action to prevent
> another from causing needless destruction in this classroom of a
> world. If you were a resident of Darfur and the Janjaweed rode into
> your town, would you sit by passively and love those murderers while
> they were busy killing the town's people? Taking defensive action
> against the Janjaweed would not mean the lessons of Atonement will
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I act in the present to stop what I believe is wrong. I don't choose
the outcome, it is what it is. Then I ask the Holy Spirit to help me
see the positive in everything. It IS there for the asking.
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