For Deborah (especially)
I noticed a few days ago, you had asked me questions and insinuated
things, based on my old, out of context, nothing to do with here
emails that Katie once posted.
At the time I was busy with other things, and my first thought was
=93never explain yourself to anyone, your friends don=92t need you to, and
everyone else has already made up their minds, anyway=94.
But, thinking about it, there are a few points that might make it
more clear. Because most people on this newsgroup have no idea what
was going on, what it all referred to, only what it was and is being
used for now. But, maybe you really did want to know, so you could get
a clearer pictures of it, and the context of it at the time?
Of course, I have already pointed out it was 6 or so years ago, in
response to other emails that weren=92t posted, had nothing to do with
this newsgroup, and none of the boards involved in it are around
anymore.
Like, what was going on at the time was on MY BOARD. I wasn=92t going
on someone else=92s group and causing trouble by asking questions (that
were legitimate questions to ask). It was MY BOARD at that time, and
people from the Raj group were coming on to it.
This refers to the board I had (no longer there)
http://www.jcim.net/ted_poppe.htm
I had never seen TGP, which is the =93Raj=94 board. The original one was
sort of like the newsgroup, open, unmoderated, free for all. And, a
lot of what went on there was like the newsgroup. Before I even posted
on it. How I found it, Nancy had a board at the time,not a lot knew
about it, but I did... and she wrote on it (with some of the Raj group
at the time) about how she had set up a new board for them, supposedly
secret (but maybe Nancy didn=92t realize it at the time she told about
it). Some from HER board asked about it and she said they needed a new
board because their original board had been =93invaded by household
pests=94. I still hadn=92t posted anything on it. Since she had made
them a new =93private=94 board, leaving the old one to the household
pests, I checked it out. I saw some I knew writing there (even Joe
Jesseph occasionally did) so I started posting on it.
Remember the =93serious students of Raj=94 had a new board supposedly to
get away from the troublemakers and trolls. What they did, the kept
writing on it (like some here had a moderated version of this newgroup
and still kept coming back here) and, all they wrote about on their
=93private=94 board was ABOUT the old board, and what was going on, etc.
How some of us got into asking questions and trying to find out
answers (when there were several different, contradicting ones) was
well, when there were different, contradicting stories. One person
said we had to behave because the b oard/website cost $3000 a month
and someone donated the money for it and wouldn=92t, if we didn=92t
behave. I asked how can a website and discussion board cost $3000 a
month? And, couldn=92t they do it cheaper and use the money for running
the foundation? At that time, Raj was posting on the board, saying
they were behind in printing newsletters and needed postage, etc. Yet
they were paying $3000 a month for a website and board? Someone else
pointed out that they hadn=92t sent out newsletters for 5 or so years.
On the website was a letter from Raj saying they needed, I think it
was $800 a month for the website and board. Because of the questions,
Chris Tuttle (Paul=92s son) posted on the board saying to settle it, and
answer the questions, he owns the server (Point of Perfection) and
donates it to the foundation at no cost.
This is just one small example of the various stories. Like Chris
Tuttle donates it at no cost, but Raj had a letter on it asking for
money and saying it cost $800 a month for the website and board? (I
think I referred to this in one of my emails)
Someone also started asking for the financial papers for the
foundation, that show how much is donated, what is paid for salaries,
etc. As a non profit foundation they are legally required to give this
to anyone who asks. This was treated like some were evil, enemies out
to =93get=94 the Tuttles and the foundation. That Paul and his wife were
paid salaries to run the foundation, and donations were needed for
this and the expenses of their big home.
Again, this is only a small part of it. Stories were told, =93lies=94 were
told and some of us were turned into enemies out to GET the Tuttles.
Those who donated were told if they should =93trust=94 Raj (who says he is
author of ACIM) and if they trust him, they don=92t have to know details
about donations and what=92s done with it, etc.
At one point a new TGP group was started where one registered and
posted and could be edited, deleted and banned. Nobody wrote on it,
they stayed on the old one they claimed was so bad. Finally it was
closed, forcing people to use the moderated one.
That was when some of them started writing on my board, which was a
free =93server.com=94 board.
That is the era of my emails. Katie has already written her version of
the TGP group (and me) which isn=92t how I remember it, so I won=92t go
into that.
Just wanted to make it clear, at that time, it was MY BOARD the Raj
group was coming on. And anything I wrote about =93finding things out=94
was NOT digging for dirt or finding out things that weren=92t any of my
business. It was finding out the truth, when there were contradicting
stories and different people saying different things. Stuff that
should have been =93public knowledge=94 since it was a public, non profit
foundation.
Of course, in hindsight I should have said =93**** it=94 and just left
from the start. Especially since I knew about their =93private board=94
and what they were writing on it (because of Nancy telling about it on
HER board, which most of the others didn=92t know about )
So, when Nancy read my emails here, years later, and said they made
her skin crawl, she must have forgotten what was really going on at
the time. That all I ever did was try and track down =93the truth=94 about
stuff that was being posted by various people, and they were writing
about on MY BOARD. And Nancy=92s skin could crawl, but she had set up a
private, behind the back, gossip board for some from the original Raj
group, who would write there about people on the open board, and
discuss and make plans for how they would =93be=94 with people ON the open
Raj board (before it was changed to the moderated one)
Of course, I could have saved all the posts from that =93private=94
board, with the plotting and planning and game playing, and posted
them later, but I guess I=92m not like that and probably never will be.
I never registered and participated on the TGP board after it was
changed to moderated.
A few years later, someone named Alex, after reading another of the
posts asking for money and saying how desprately the foundation needed
it, asked =93how much money is donated, what is it used for and how much
more is needed to make ends meet?=94 Thinking if this was clear, people
would have a better idea about donating, and not just vague =93we need
more money!=94 Because of this another war broke out, with people asking
questions and asking WHY the figures for the foundation can=92t be told?
Alex even followed proper procedure and requested the financial
statement (posting everything openly on a board Ammi had at the time,
along with anything that was found ON THE INTERNET about the
=93business=94 doings of the NWFFACIM, which were public knowledge, so
everything would be out in the open and above board) He never got the
papers, and was banned from the group. Ammi was later banned along
with Tom Fox and Carmen. For asking questions that were legitimate and
should have been answered by a non profit group, who=92s leader is
=93Jesus=94 (who runs every aspect of it)
Since then I have heard so many versions of all this, that make it
seem like groups of people got together (several times) with the sole
intent of trying to ruin the foundation and falsely accuse them of
things, and harassing and threatening them. I=92ve been told (on this
newsgroup) a file has been kept on me (and others) in case they ever
get a chance to use it.
Anyway, I have written this stuff before, but wanted to at least
attempt to show what was going on at the time of the emails. Put it in
better perspective, maybe?
Mainly for Deborah, because I was thinking your questions about it
might have really been to find out more about it, and =93the truth=94 and
not just blindly accept what it seems to be (now) and what it=92s been
made into.
And I do realize how dumb it was to get involved in it at the time.
I have this quirk where, if I hear or read different versions of
something, I like to find out the truth. When, all I end up learning
is everyone has their own version of the truth, especially when it=92s
about he past, and what can be made out of it, to created new =93truth=94
now.
Overall, if you, or anyone reads my emails from years ago, which were
in response to OTHER emails (not posted) and what was going on at the
time, and why I was trying to find things out (the truth) and involved
MY DISCUSSION BOARD, and people from the Raj group coming on it (at
least most of the time, from what I remember) and if it made Nancy=92s
skin crawl when they were posted here, she might be forgetting SHE had
made a secret behind the back, private board for some from the Raj
board to meet on and plan and plot what to do about the original
board, (and I found out about the Raj group from HER BOARD) anyone
who is really into knowing =93the truth=94 (NOW) would realize they are
=93out of context=94 and what they have been made into NOW. Which is
really different from all that was going on then. Which, of course,
wasn=92t included when they were posted.
And, it is really silly, and I=92m sorry I ever participated on the Raj
board, or cared about what was =93the truth=94 and trusted some of the
people I did. But, we can=92t go back and do things different or not do
them, can we?
Just a few things I wanted to point out in case anyone (besides
Deborah) is really interested in some of the context at that time.
Aside from that, I don=92t see any more need to discuss it.
And yes, I know, those who could care less about context and truth
and what really might have gone on can write
under this
YAWN
or disclaimers, or whatever they want.
I've tried explaining this before and probably crazy to try to again,
but I tried, and won't anymore after this.
|
