On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:09:02 -0400, Robert Epstein wrote
(in article <2CnXj.4052$_g.1574@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> KittyP wrote:
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>>>>>>> really a lousy digital camera the tones are all outta whack
>>>>>>> but this is a black and white painting i did of tiffani amber
>>>>>>> theissen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=b8trty&s=3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beautiful work! I really like monochrome paintings.
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not only with art, but music and writing too.
>>>> You are a tremendously talented guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn
>>>
>>> in the old days 'talent' was a word
>>> used to designate money. one thing
>>> i've never been able to do is turn my
>>> talent into money.
>>
>>
>> Your work is beautiful. I paint and have friends who paint for a
living.
>> The
>> ones who have been successful enough to live on their art put either
put a
>> lot of time and effort into marketing themselves (which takes away from
the
>> painting), or get an agent. It's more fun to just paint ;)
>> Kitty
>>
>>
>
> Well that's the goddamn problem isn't it? Those of us who have art or
> philosophy addictions have discovered that the real world is very
> reluctant to pay us for our brilliance, whatever relative wattage it may
> have. As a sometime musician, singer, poet, actor..... I tried to
> juggle my interests and figure out how to professionalize them, only to
> discover that 98% of those who engaged in such activities were not
> making a living. At least in England there is such a thing as a
> "journeyman actor" and you can almost be guaranteed regular work once
> you are at a certain level. In the U.S. there is unpaid talent crawling
> out of every restaurant and taxicab and relatively few jobs to go
> around. When I looked at the options for jazz saxaphone players as a
> young man they ranged from unpaid in a room somewhere to slightly paid
> in a smokier room. Elvin Jones, John Coltrane's drummer for many years,
> finally reached the breaking point when a couple kept talking and
> laughing through his drum solo at a club, unscrewed his cymbal and threw
> it across the room, and just missed decapitating one of them. [He had a
> bad temper anyway - once punched a flute-playing college mate of mine
> who played with him in the stomach for taking "too short" a solo.]
> When Chic Corea was the most popular and famous jazz pianist in the
> country his best year was a $10,000 paycheck. Which is the real reason
> for "fusion" as jazz musicians discovered they could play less
> complicated lines and make a lot more money. In the area of poetry I
> had a few things published in small poetry magazines for no pay and
> studied with some good people in college. Almost all the poets who made
> a living were part of the University system, getting paid for teaching
> and "something" but never much for their books. The real problem is
> that our culture does not value the arts AT ALL, unless it is in the
> opiate form of the latest group of "moving models" jiggling across the
> tv screen. In Chile a great poet like Pablo Neruda was not only
> acknowledged as an artist but was made an Ambassador. In other
> cultures, someone who is a philosopher or poet or great musician is
> considered of the highest station in society, rather than the lowest.
> When I tell people I have a degree in philosophy it takes several
> minutes for the laughter to subside - not that they think philosophy is
> worthless, but at the idea that I would be so impractical as to have
> studied something that is totally useless in the real world, unless of
> course you want to spend your lifetime as part of a small college. [Not
> a bad idea in retrospect.] What's wrong with us?
>
> Robert
>
> = = = = = = = = = = =
Pretty much the same here in Canada, Robert. When we had Prime Minister
(Pierre Trudeau) things were much better for people in the Arts. But that
was because Trudeau was a Patron of the Arts and realized the im****tance
of
art of all kinds to the country and culture as a whole. Canada Council
for
the Arts Grants were abundantly available for Artists. Good times then
in
Canada.
tara
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