Re: Selling Points of the Major Religions

On Fri, 16 May 2008 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
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>On May 15, 6:43 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
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>> >On May 15, 6:20 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
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>> >> >On May 14, 7:26 am, EskWI...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> In alt.religion.christian Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> > Well, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Con****ians
 and
>> >> >> > Atheists have all told me that they don't consider their
religion to
>> >> >> > be a religion.
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>> >> >> That don't mean ****.  I'll tell you that the United States is
not a
>> >> >> country.  What does that have to do with anything in the real
world?
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>> >> >> > No one who belongs to any of the
>> >> >> > major religions acknowledge that they do in fact belong to a
religion.
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>> >> >> You are a Christian, eh?  Only a Christian could believe such
hogwash.
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>> >> >Sorry.  No.  I am certainly not a Christian.  I don't believe in
the
>> >> >possibility of a "personal" God.
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>> >> Whatever you are, you are morally corrupt and teach hatred.
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>> >> >Ethnically Jewish, brought up Unitarian.  Somewhere in the
Unitarian,
>> >> >Reform Jew, Gnostic, Deist area.  Depending on my mood on a
particular
>> >> >day.
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>> >> Which one taught you to lie and defame science? You certainly aren't
>> >> getting any morality from your god.- Hide quoted text -
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>> >Medical Experiments of the Holocaust and Nazi Medicine
>> >Foreword
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>> >People must remember the Holocaust as a insult to humanity. The lives
>> >lost were not only great in number, but offered so much to mankind.
>> >How the world would have been different if the millions of souls
>> >destroyed could have lived.
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>> >Doctors have always been thought of as the saviors of mankind, the
>> >healers, and caretakers of our utter existence. Even ancient
>> >civilizations revered the medicine men as having special power to
>> >protect life. The trust of a physician is sacred. This is why the
>> >practice of medicine by the doctors of the Third Reich is egregious,
>> >outrageous, and shocking. The Nazi doctors violated the trust placed
>> >in them by humanity. The most painful truth is for the most part the
>> >doctors escaped their crimes against Humanity and lived a life, unlike
>> >their victims.
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>> >The Experiments
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>> What were the hypotheses being tested in these 'experiments'? You
allege
>> as part of your war against science that this was science. It was not.
>> You are just another fanatic for ignorance who attacks the most
powerful
>> force for knowledge.  
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>Hate to tell you this, this WAS science.  Contem****ary doctors agree
>that these were first class experiments, particularly the ones on
>hypothermia.  They want to cite the data.

You do understand that doctors are not necessarily scientists. I have no
idea how well-done these were, which is why I asked you what they did.
All you did was assert that doctors want to cite them. Sorry, your claim
must be ignored without evidence.

>Science is totally amoral, by Nature.  What do scientists do, after
>all?

Scientific questions are outside of areas that we call moral. That
doesn't make science amoral, it just means that trying to apply morality
to science is a meaningless undertaking. Yes, some possible scientific
experiments are considered immoral which is why the vast majority of
scientists don't engage in them.

>1.  They build weapons to kill people:
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>e.g., Archimedes, Leonardo da Vinci, Edison, Alfred Nobel, Robert
>Openheimer, Edward Teller...

Building weapons is engineering. Yes, there have been famous scientists
who have been persuaded to engage in engineering to sup****t war, but
they didn't do it as a scientific undertaking, they did it because they
were patriots.

>2.  They write propaganda to sup****t the status quo and to make money:
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>e.g., the sophists, the pharisees, the mediaeval scholastics, the
>social darwinists, the Nazi scientists, the global warming
>enthusiasts, the Phillip Morris pro-tobacco researchers...

Let me know when you get to scientists. So far, you've missed every
time.

>If they ever do any good at all, it's usually by accident!

Your wor****p of ignorance is noted.