Re: Selling Points of the Major Religions

On 14 May, 02:51, beelzebub <yank_ees_s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 13, 5:15 pm, Andy W <vor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On 13 May, 05:32, beelzebub <yank_ees_s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 12, 9:43 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >Bottom line: =A0Atheists hate to confront the fact that their
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> > > > >are in fact a "belief." =A0What else can they be? =A0There is no
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> > > > Of course there is an alternative,
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> > > Such as? =A0Either you believe in god or you don't. =A0And if you
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> > > believe, THAT is your belief. Stop playing idiot semantic games,
> > > unless you really are that much of an idiot.
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> > > > but you are just playing Humpty
> > > > Dumpty and will never admit that all of this nonsense you are
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> > > > comes from your religious foolishness.
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> > > I'm an agnostic, genius.
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> > I've seen people use several different definitions when they use that
> > term about themselves so can you please clarify which one you're
> > using?
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> Sure. =A0I believe that the existence of god is presently unknown. =A0It
> may be knowable, but that fact itself is unknowable. =A0More information
> is needed.
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> (I have heard this described as mild agnosticism, but I despise that
> term. =A0I am an agnostic in the tradition of Thomas Huxley. "In matters
> of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which
> are not demonstrated or demonstrable.")
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> > And just to avoid any possible ambiguity:
> > Do you believe that a god or gods exist? Yes or no.
> > Do you believe that a god or gods does not exist? Yes or no.
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> > Andy
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> These questions have no meaning to me, both involve faith. =A0I neither
> believe nor disbelieve without evidence, and I have none.

Then there are no gods you believe in; round here we would call that
"weak atheism". Doesn't sound much better than "mild agnosticism" does
it?

So I was wondering: how do you reconcile your statement above with
your previous statement:

"Either you believe in god or you don't.  And if you don't believe,
THAT is your belief."

Andy