Re: Selling Points of the Major Religions

beelzebub wrote:

> On May 13, 5:15 pm, Andy W <vor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On 13 May, 05:32, beelzebub <yank_ees_s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 12, 9:43 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> > > >Bottom line:  Atheists hate to confront the fact that their
beliefs
>> > > >are in fact a "belief."  What else can they be?  There is no
>> > > >alternative.
>>
>> > > Of course there is an alternative,
>>
>> > Such as?  Either you believe in god or you don't.  And if you don't
>> > believe, THAT is your belief. Stop playing idiot semantic games,
>> > unless you really are that much of an idiot.
>>
>> > > but you are just playing Humpty
>> > > Dumpty and will never admit that all of this nonsense you are
>> > > spouting comes from your religious foolishness.
>>
>> > I'm an agnostic, genius.
>>
>> I've seen people use several different definitions when they use that
>> term about themselves so can you please clarify which one you're
>> using?
> 
> Sure.  I believe that the existence of god is presently unknown.  It
> may be knowable, but that fact itself is unknowable.  More information
> is needed.
> 
> (I have heard this described as mild agnosticism, but I despise that
> term.  I am an agnostic in the tradition of Thomas Huxley. "In matters
> of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which
> are not demonstrated or demonstrable.")
> 
> 
>>
>> And just to avoid any possible ambiguity:
>> Do you believe that a god or gods exist? Yes or no.
>> Do you believe that a god or gods does not exist? Yes or no.
>>
>> Andy
> 
> These questions have no meaning to me, both involve faith.  I neither
> believe nor disbelieve without evidence, and I have none.


Correct.
But he misspoke.
What he meant to ask in the second question is
whether you don't believe that God exists.

Atheists have blid faith.
But it is not the faith that God does not exist.
They at least have no such blind faith.
They have blind faith in their ability to already know of
all actual or possible modes of existence.
That's quite laughable for limited beings like humans.


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monkfish   * alt.atheism is removed from the header because trying to
prove
the existence of God is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
** Atheists have blind faith in their ability to know of all actual or
possible modes of existence. Such hubris cannot be good for science.