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Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is

by Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 08:10 AM

On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:15 -0400, Tang Huyen
<tanghuyen{delete}@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>Today the New York Times has an Op-Ed piece
>by David Brooks, "Neural Buddhists".
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/
>13brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>
><<Researchers now spend a lot of time trying to
>understand universal moral intuitions. Genes are
>not merely selfish, it appears. Instead, people
>seem to have deep instincts for fairness, empathy
>and attachment.
>
>Scientists have more respect for elevated spiritual
>states. Andrew Newberg of the University of
>Pennsylvania has shown that transcendent
>experiences can actually be identified and
>measured in the brain (people experience a
>decrease in activity in the parietal lobe, which
>orients us in space). The mind seems to have the
>ability to transcend itself and merge with a larger
>presence that feels more real.
>
>This new wave of research will not seep into the
>public realm in the form of militant atheism.
>Instead it will lead to what you might call neural
>Buddhism.
>
>If you survey the literature (and I’d recommend
>books by Newberg, Daniel J. Siegel, Michael S.
>Gazzaniga, Jonathan Haidt, Antonio Damasio
>and Marc D. Hauser if you want to get up to
>speed), you can see that certain beliefs will
>spread into the wider discussion.
>
>First, the self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic
>process of relation****ps. Second, underneath the
>patina of different religions, people around the
>world have common moral intuitions. Third,
>people are equipped to experience the sacred, to
>have moments of elevated experience when they
>transcend boundaries and overflow with love.
>Fourth, God can best be conceived as the nature
>one experiences at those moments, the
>unknowable total of all there is.
>
>In their arguments with Christopher Hitchens and
>Richard Dawkins, the faithful have been
>defending the existence of God. That was the
>easy debate. The real challenge is going to come
>from people who feel the existence of the sacred,
>but who think that particular religions are just
>cultural artifacts built on top of universal human
>traits. It’s going to come from scientists whose
>beliefs overlap a bit with Buddhism.
>
>In unexpected ways, science and mysticism are
>joining hands and reinforcing each other. That’s
>bound to lead to new movements that emphasize
>self-transcendence but put little stock in divine
>law or revelation. Orthodox believers are going to
>have to defend particular doctrines and particular
>biblical teachings. They’re going to have to defend
>the idea of a personal God, and explain why
>specific theologies are true guides for behavior
>day to day. I’m not qualified to take sides, believe
>me. I’m just trying to anticipate which way the
>debate is headed. We’re in the middle of a
>scientific revolution. It’s going to have big
>cultural effects.>>
>
>Tang Huyen

The man's a clueless douchebag. a blitherer. He'd be lost even on
"these boards". 
Dowd is the clever one, and she steers clear of this sort of nonsense.
 




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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-13 06:32:15 
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Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 08:10:15 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-15 17:58:07 
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Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 20:59:42 
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dt <daletx@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 08:12:48 
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Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-16 08:49:17 
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dt <daletx@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 10:24:14 
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Uncle Weasel <xin@[EMA  2008-05-17 12:36:11 
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dt <daletx@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-19 09:50:35 
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Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-19 13:38:48 
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dt <daletx@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-19 13:50:51 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-16 20:55:06 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 21:01:41 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 21:14:37 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 21:52:25 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-17 08:28:20 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-17 08:02:08 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-17 10:30:38 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-17 09:48:27 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 11:24:42 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-17 10:56:42 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 06:40:02 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-19 08:52:18 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 12:32:42 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-19 13:14:17 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 15:22:54 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-19 14:45:19 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 16:05:10 
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=?UTF-8?B?RMOpasOgIEZsdQ=  2008-05-19 17:32:15 
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=?UTF-8?B?RMOpasOgIEZsdQ=  2008-05-19 17:17:27 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 17:29:41 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 18:57:55 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-19 16:38:51 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 18:45:13 
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Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-19 19:07:08 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 21:08:16 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 22:12:51 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 23:39:33 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 22:19:10 
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DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-17 22:32:06 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 07:23:34 
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DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-21 04:22:52 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 08:57:30 
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"Noel Friesen"   2008-05-21 19:07:19 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 16:30:52 
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"Noel Friesen"   2008-05-22 01:18:42 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 21:31:24 
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"Noel Friesen"   2008-05-22 08:15:40 
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Renli <oliver.richman@  2008-05-23 01:15:21 
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DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-18 05:53:49 
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"Noel Friesen"   2008-05-18 04:23:52 
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Scientists Know Better Than Keynes -- Even When They're Wrong (w
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 06:43:16 
Re: Brain training (was Re: The direct route)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-20 07:53:41 
Re: Scientists Know Better Than Keynes -- Even When They're Wron
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-22 23:57:07 
Re: Scientists Know Better Than Keynes -- Even When They're Wron
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-23 02:41:03 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-21 04:01:45 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-17 11:29:18 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-17 16:50:14 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-15 14:19:00 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 05:34:12 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-17 08:43:23 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-18 06:35:06 
breathing lesson [ waz Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo fo
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 10:22:31 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 10:27:25 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 11:39:21 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 10:49:59 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 12:07:25 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 11:10:42 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 12:15:51 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 11:27:58 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 12:32:11 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 11:59:21 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 17:47:02 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-18 11:53:27 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 17:48:26 
Crime against nature (was Re: The direct routez)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-18 17:53:21 
Re: Crime against nature (was Re: The direct routez)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 18:02:29 
Moo-goo gai-pan online (was Re: Crime against nature)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-18 18:27:59 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-18 21:25:39 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
dt <daletx@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-19 09:54:35 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-20 04:28:11 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-20 08:19:14 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-21 07:06:58 
Re: The direct routez (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
heron stone <heronDO@[  2008-05-18 18:57:21 
The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-18 09:53:35 
Nothing to do with Buddhism (was Re: The direct route)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-18 10:41:47 
Re: Nothing to do with narcissistic Buddhism (was Re: The direct
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 10:46:09 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-18 07:45:37 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 10:41:02 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 11:14:16 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 11:16:31 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-18 17:18:34 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-19 23:35:16 
Re: The absolute truth, period (was Re: The direct route)
oxtail <oxtail@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 15:44:20 
Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-20 18:02:17 
Re: Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-20 17:26:09 
Re: Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-20 18:33:55 
Re: Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
"possum" <ze  2008-05-21 02:29:24 
Life by proxy (was Re: Fire and brimstone)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-20 21:54:00 
Re: Life by proxy (was Re: Fire and brimstone)
"possum" <ze  2008-05-21 03:11:00 
Re: Life by proxy (was Re: Fire and brimstone)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-20 22:32:02 
Re: Life by proxy (was Re: Fire and brimstone)
"possum" <ze  2008-05-21 03:48:16 
Re: Life by proxy (was Re: Fire and brimstone)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-20 23:01:05 
Re: Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 04:21:18 
Re: Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-22 06:34:36 
Re: Fire and brimstone (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-20 22:05:57 
Re: Fire and brimstonerz (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-21 00:54:47 
Category error (was Re: The absolute truth, period)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-20 18:03:30 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 06:00:38 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-17 08:50:53 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 11:55:55 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-17 09:26:05 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-17 09:45:35 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 12:29:26 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 10:53:29 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Bill Pfeifer <billpfei  2008-05-17 13:22:02 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 11:03:29 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-17 13:52:07 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 16:06:57 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 04:23:41 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-17 14:07:02 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 16:20:40 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 20:29:35 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Evelyn" <ev  2008-05-18 09:45:48 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 20:52:37 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-18 04:53:02 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 07:58:34 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 11:49:55 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Evelyn" <ev  2008-05-18 17:04:26 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-18 22:50:27 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Noel Friesen"   2008-05-21 18:04:01 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-21 20:56:02 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 04:48:22 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-18 23:48:28 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Evelyn" <ev  2008-05-19 13:24:00 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-20 13:58:09 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Evelyn" <ev  2008-05-20 16:39:03 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-20 19:48:33 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Evelyn" <ev  2008-05-20 20:43:15 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 04:15:02 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 04:05:32 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 00:45:02 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Evelyn" <ev  2008-05-20 06:11:03 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 05:55:55 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-20 09:37:13 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 12:47:17 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-20 12:08:51 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 13:46:28 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-20 13:38:26 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 14:59:59 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-20 14:46:37 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-20 17:17:45 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 21:03:22 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"possum" <ze  2008-05-21 03:16:53 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-20 20:29:30 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 21:41:15 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-20 22:08:54 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 22:31:30 
Re: The direct routerz (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-21 01:08:30 
Re: The direct routerz (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 00:48:55 
Re: The direct routerz (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-21 10:48:44 
Re: The direct routerz (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-21 10:14:36 
Re: The direct routerz (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-21 11:39:43 
Re: The direct routerz (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-21 15:55:41 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
"Dork of Delusion&qu  2008-05-20 18:12:14 
The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-20 18:30:46 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-20 19:48:26 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
oxtail <oxtail@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 22:43:16 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
=?UTF-8?B?RMOpasOgIEZsdQ=  2008-05-20 22:59:39 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 04:28:59 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Bill Pfeifer <billpfei  2008-05-21 21:43:47 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
"Ned" <nedlu  2008-05-22 07:08:09 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Ali <lalala@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-22 09:10:55 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
"Ned" <nedlu  2008-05-22 10:12:11 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-22 10:57:27 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
"Ned" <nedlu  2008-05-22 12:26:37 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-23 04:03:38 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-23 04:04:28 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-23 07:17:44 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-05-23 05:39:55 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
"Noel Friesen"   2008-05-23 12:25:26 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-24 03:50:24 
Re: The flighty elite (was Re: The direct route)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-24 03:45:12 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 03:38:58 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 17:52:54 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-22 04:18:43 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 18:18:22 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-21 21:33:53 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-22 10:31:04 
Re: The direct route (was nRe: Goo goo for cheap)
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-22 10:41:40 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 19:27:28 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-14 20:17:04 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-14 21:14:39 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 00:19:35 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-14 21:31:15 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 09:11:28 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-15 14:17:47 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 18:17:25 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-15 18:47:37 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 19:32:16 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-16 04:29:52 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 12:41:34 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-14 21:35:50 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-14 21:47:57 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-15 22:59:28 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-15 19:03:47 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-16 04:43:19 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
norbu.tragri@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-15 04:29:04 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-15 07:10:31 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-15 07:13:28 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-15 14:20:39 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-15 18:17:41 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-16 04:38:02 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-15 18:52:04 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 19:20:46 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-15 19:53:58 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 20:16:28 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 14:52:00 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-15 18:18:44 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-15 15:30:49 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-15 15:40:48 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-15 18:56:38 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-15 16:44:43 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-15 16:52:54 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-15 20:15:45 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
Citizen Jimserac <Jims  2008-05-15 17:02:49 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-15 20:18:40 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-15 17:06:56 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
DharmaTroll <dharmatro  2008-05-15 17:26:21 
Re: A larger presence, the unknowable total of all there is
=?windows-1252?Q?D=E9j=E0  2008-05-15 21:50:02