Re: No speeding trucks (was Re: Dramatrollery)

On May 9, 1:05=A0pm, lorr <l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Thu, 08 May 2008 16:10:05 -0700, Awaken21 wrote:
> > On May 8, 9:55=A0am, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> "Awaken21" <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >> news:3f6afd1c-a4ad-4cff-
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> a544-9f011be10...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On May 7, 6:46 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> wrote:
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> >> > Awaken21 wrote:
> >> > > How can you tell if you don't know where and what they were like
> >> > > when they began and don't know how it's affecting their daily
life?=

> >> > > Just because they get huffy here regularly in this rather harmles
> >> > > medium, doesn't mean that's not much better than what they were
> >> > > like when they started.
>
> >> > > Months is probably too short a time to judge the effect of
> >> > > practice. It takes years to build up the ignorance to a frenzy,
no
> >> > > reason to believe it might not take years to unravel it.
>
> >> > <<Just because they get huffy here regularly in this rather harmles
> >> > medium, doesn't mean that's not much better than what they were
like
> >> > when they started.>>
>
> >> > Right. This medium called Usenet is harmless. It only deals with
mere=

> >> > words on the screen.
>
> >> "Mere words" is quite misleading. People live and die by words, and
> >> words have emotional psychological impact. Which makes your whole
> >> argument intellectually and factually disengenuine even before we get
> >> down to the subject of Buddhism. This medium is harmless because even
> >> if we're pissed off we can't just reach out and throttle someone who
so=

> >> richly deserves it, not because the words themselves have no effect
> >> whatsoever.
>
> >> But moving on to Buddhism... so powerful are words that they are a
key
> >> area mindfulness in daily activity. If you're =A0walking the path
you'r=
e
> >> not only mindful of how words effect yourself, you're mindful of how
> >> they effect others. If one is sincerely walking the path words are
> >> never "merely words".
>
> >> > The people who use it cannot be harmed by mere words on the screen,
> >> > unless they want it. People who want to break cannot be stopped,
and
> >> > people who don't want to break cannot be broken by mere words on
the
> >> > screen. People who want to preserve themselves know how to and do,
> >> > and people who want to break know how to and do. In this rather
> >> > harmless medium everything is free and everything is voluntary. We
> >> > are all adults and we are all responsible for ourselves.
>
> >> > These boards are not kindergartens for babies.
>
> >> > People who are fragile or loose upstairs should not be here, surely
> >> > not without supervision, if only because they can break themselves,
> >> > from their own side, using these boards as mere excuse. The people
> >> > who get hurt hurt
> >> > themselves, in closed circle. The people who burn themselves out
burn=

> >> > themselves out with their own energy, in closed circle. This medium
> >> > merely serves as enabler, in that in its impersonal dynamics it
> >> > fortifies and exacerbates their wishes and desires to their logical
> >> > end. It merely helps them dispatch themselves.
>
> >> Evelyn posted the whole list of how to consider Right Speech and
> >> conveniently at the very top are the words of the Buddha on right
> >> speech that I think are particularly aimed at your particular style
of
> >> bull**** rationalizations for your own insistence on unskillful
speech.=

>
> >> 1. =A0In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual,
> >> untrue,
> >> unbeneficial (or not connected with the goal), unendearing and
> >> disagreeable
> >> to others, he does not say them.
>
> >> 2. =A0In the case of the words that the Tathagata knows to be
factual,
> >> true,
> >> unbeneficial, unendearing and disagreeable to others, he does not say
> >> them.
>
> >> Quit blaming the other person for being hurt when you use unskillful
> >> words, it's a waste of your precious time, as you so rightly point
out,=

> >> Buddhist practice is always directed inwards towards self
examination,
> >> start minding your words because they are im****tant to your own
> >> enlightenment and be less concerned about who belongs here and who
> >> doesn't.
>
> >> The Buddha chose his words carefully, and so should anyone who is
> >> sincere about walking his path.
>
> >> Hi Luke,
>
> >> Yes, that is true....that addresses the intention of the speaker. =A0
I=

> >> also think there is more to it.
>
> >> I think that analogy of the second arrow someone mentioned yesterday
> >> might apply here. =A0 Words in and of themselves are harmless, all
the
> >> words are in the dictionary and they harm no one as they are there.
>
> >> Someone can speak words with intent to harm, but then it is what we
do
> >> with them in our heads. =A0 We allow them to attack ourselves and our
> >> ego...... "How DARE they say THAT to ME!"
>
> >> Posting on usenet is a great lesson. =A0 Millions and millions of
words=

> >> (like the dictionary), but it is the thoughts they engender and what
we=

> >> do with those thoughts that counts. =A0 If you think the person is
> >> talking about you, and your ego is threatened, it can hurt. =A0 But
if
> >> you realize that they don't really know you and they are not talking
> >> about you, but some image they have in their mind they think is you,
it=

> >> is a little different.
>
> > A poor excuse to hide behind in order to engage in unskillful speech,
> > and expecting other's to see it that way, however true it may be,
> > redirects one's attention from analysis of self, to judgement of
others
> > which is not very Buddhist at all. As Tang himself seems to understand
> > when it comes to other subjects.
>
> That's your fantasy of what Buddha's about.
>
> What could possibly be more judgmental than,
> "If you don't buy my bull**** you're doomed to eternal hell"

Is that what you think I said? Really? lol