Keynes wrote:
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:05:16 GMT, lorr <lorr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>On Thu, 08 May 2008 16:10:05 -0700, Awaken21 wrote:
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>>>On May 8, 9:55 am, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>"Awaken21" <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>On May 7, 6:46 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>Awaken21 wrote:
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>>>>>>How can you tell if you don't know where and what they were like
>>>>>>when they began and don't know how it's affecting their daily life?
>>>>>>Just because they get huffy here regularly in this rather harmles
>>>>>>medium, doesn't mean that's not much better than what they were
>>>>>>like when they started.
>>>>
>>>>>>Months is probably too short a time to judge the effect of
>>>>>>practice. It takes years to build up the ignorance to a frenzy, no
>>>>>>reason to believe it might not take years to unravel it.
>>>>
>>>>><<Just because they get huffy here regularly in this rather harmles
>>>>>medium, doesn't mean that's not much better than what they were like
>>>>>when they started.>>
>>>>
>>>>>Right. This medium called Usenet is harmless. It only deals with mere
>>>>>words on the screen.
>>>>
>>>>"Mere words" is quite misleading. People live and die by words, and
>>>>words have emotional psychological impact. Which makes your whole
>>>>argument intellectually and factually disengenuine even before we get
>>>>down to the subject of Buddhism. This medium is harmless because even
>>>>if we're pissed off we can't just reach out and throttle someone who
so
>>>>richly deserves it, not because the words themselves have no effect
>>>>whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>>But moving on to Buddhism... so powerful are words that they are a key
>>>>area mindfulness in daily activity. If you're walking the path you're
>>>>not only mindful of how words effect yourself, you're mindful of how
>>>>they effect others. If one is sincerely walking the path words are
>>>>never "merely words".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The people who use it cannot be harmed by mere words on the screen,
>>>>>unless they want it. People who want to break cannot be stopped, and
>>>>>people who don't want to break cannot be broken by mere words on the
>>>>>screen. People who want to preserve themselves know how to and do,
>>>>>and people who want to break know how to and do. In this rather
>>>>>harmless medium everything is free and everything is voluntary. We
>>>>>are all adults and we are all responsible for ourselves.
>>>>
>>>>>These boards are not kindergartens for babies.
>>>>
>>>>>People who are fragile or loose upstairs should not be here, surely
>>>>>not without supervision, if only because they can break themselves,
>>>>>from their own side, using these boards as mere excuse. The people
>>>>>who get hurt hurt
>>>>>themselves, in closed circle. The people who burn themselves out burn
>>>>>themselves out with their own energy, in closed circle. This medium
>>>>>merely serves as enabler, in that in its impersonal dynamics it
>>>>>fortifies and exacerbates their wishes and desires to their logical
>>>>>end. It merely helps them dispatch themselves.
>>>>
>>>>Evelyn posted the whole list of how to consider Right Speech and
>>>>conveniently at the very top are the words of the Buddha on right
>>>>speech that I think are particularly aimed at your particular style of
>>>>bull**** rationalizations for your own insistence on unskillful
speech.
>>>>
>>>>1. In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual,
>>>>untrue,
>>>>unbeneficial (or not connected with the goal), unendearing and
>>>>disagreeable
>>>>to others, he does not say them.
>>>>
>>>>2. In the case of the words that the Tathagata knows to be factual,
>>>>true,
>>>>unbeneficial, unendearing and disagreeable to others, he does not say
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>Quit blaming the other person for being hurt when you use unskillful
>>>>words, it's a waste of your precious time, as you so rightly point
out,
>>>>Buddhist practice is always directed inwards towards self examination,
>>>>start minding your words because they are im****tant to your own
>>>>enlightenment and be less concerned about who belongs here and who
>>>>doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>The Buddha chose his words carefully, and so should anyone who is
>>>>sincere about walking his path.
>>>>
>>>>Hi Luke,
>>>>
>>>>Yes, that is true....that addresses the intention of the speaker. I
>>>>also think there is more to it.
>>>>
>>>>I think that analogy of the second arrow someone mentioned yesterday
>>>>might apply here. Words in and of themselves are harmless, all the
>>>>words are in the dictionary and they harm no one as they are there.
>>>>
>>>>Someone can speak words with intent to harm, but then it is what we do
>>>>with them in our heads. We allow them to attack ourselves and our
>>>>ego...... "How DARE they say THAT to ME!"
>>>>
>>>>Posting on usenet is a great lesson. Millions and millions of words
>>>>(like the dictionary), but it is the thoughts they engender and what
we
>>>>do with those thoughts that counts. If you think the person is
>>>>talking about you, and your ego is threatened, it can hurt. But if
>>>>you realize that they don't really know you and they are not talking
>>>>about you, but some image they have in their mind they think is you,
it
>>>>is a little different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>A poor excuse to hide behind in order to engage in unskillful speech,
>>>and expecting other's to see it that way, however true it may be,
>>>redirects one's attention from analysis of self, to judgement of others
>>>which is not very Buddhist at all. As Tang himself seems to understand
>>>when it comes to other subjects.
>>
>>That's your fantasy of what Buddha's about.
>>
>>What could possibly be more judgmental than,
>>"If you don't buy my bull**** you're doomed to eternal hell"
>>
>>The central tenant of all religion.
>>
>>Buddha, a two-bit traveling con-artist and circus.
>>**** him and anyone who looks like him.
>>
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>
> If you meet the Buddha on the road, **** him.
>
> Naw. I like the other way better.
He, if lorr can **** him three times a day, it'd make a great sideshow.
DT
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