On May 8, 6:49 am, "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <no...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > The ideals behind American Revolution went back to Europe; and
Europ=
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> > > > adopted America=92s best traits, while America adopted many of
Europ=
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> > > > ugliest ones.
> > > >Europeans stole _our_ freedom!
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> > > freedom begins between the ears.
> > > if it leaks out it deserves to be stolen
> > >Nice point `@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ....except the idea of "deserves"....seems a bit
> > >vindictive...
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> > those who leak freedom from their ears
> > may need a little vindictiveness.
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> i would say that they just need to remember what freedom implies,
> the path there to, the rights and responsibilities...
>
> "Vindictiveness" implies revenge, causing harm to others...The endless
> sorts
> of blood feuds we see played out around the world in tribal/racial/
> nationalist wars.
> There is no end to "Your uncle killed my cousin so I'll kill your
> sister..."
> <end quote>
> matthew 6:38 retaliation
> Been said by the Lord 2000 years ago.
Seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things
shall be added unto you.
(Matthew 6:38)
2600 years ago the Lord Buddha said :
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.
Dhammapada I, 5
In Matthew we again find:
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a
tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone
strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if
someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak
as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who
wants to borrow from you.
=97Matthew 5:38-42, NIV
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> > the world
> > tends to divide and conquer itself into
> > victims and victimizers. if you don't follow
> > the patterns of victimizer you may get
> > taken to be just another victim.
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> In Transactional Analysis that would be called a "script" -
> if you buy into that script you become a prisoner of it.
> We can see many examples of people who were "victimized",
> vow never to be victimized again, and so become victimizers.
> Abused children who go on to become child abusers.
> If you do not buy into the script you do not have to play
> that game at all. Oppressive governments and revolutionaries
> breed on each other's violence. To break the cycle of violence
> you have to step outside of us vs. them script.
> We have seen the revolution win to become the same
> as the old boss more than enough times.
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> > >for what? Being indoctrinated as a child?
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> > yes, that balkrishna principle, the beingness
> > without much of the identification milieu in
> > place. to be young and stupid, pure bliss.
>
> ...
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> > >Anyhoo, the "American Revolution", good idea or not was only
sup****ted
> > >by a third
> > >of the *colonial* populace, another third remained loyal to the
crown,
> > >and a third were undecided.
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> > all things thrice compounded ?
>
> Did i say all things? i'd have to dredge through dozens of history
> books if you want
> ref for this rough break-down...seems to be the average numbers for
> the American
> Revolution...
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> > >This might have been one of the bad examples that lead to the Maoist
> > >dictum that political
> > >power stems from the barrel of a gun.
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> > this too shall pass
>
> Not if you're either a victim or victimizer.
Obsessions do wear out in time, sadly they are usually replaced with
other obsessions...
the root insecurity fails and grasps over and over again, maybe
eventually learning a bit
by trial and error...
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> > >Far from being "democratic" the revolution was caused by a violent
> > >minority.
> > >The Loyalists refugees and many of the undecided fled to the north
> > >(what would
> > >later become "Canada") - The Native Peoples were never consulted and
> > >we see how "fairly" they
> > >were later treated by the United States. Canada followed suit with
> > >abuses, but not quite
> > >equaling their southern kin in atrocities. The Residential Schools
> > >were are more recent atrocity
> > >but not quite equal to the death marches and such, nor the abuses of
> > >Southern Slavery, Northen
> > >Factories, etc...
> > >...land of the free...
>
> > pack yer bags and move
>
> i did. 14 years ago from L.A. Calif. to British Columbia,Canada.
> Earthquakes, Floods, Fires, Plagues, Riots, Gangs, Pollution, Rabid
> Media, Police State -
> - not a place i wanted my children to grow up...
> They have grown up free, neither victims or victimizers.
>
> Are you free?
Seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things
shall be added unto you.
(Matthew 6:38)
If God is Love His Kingdom is Friendlness, His righteousness is not
the sword but Compassion
and Forgiving just as He gave his Son; with grace then we can make
smooth the rough,
mend broken ties:
And forgive us our tresp*****,
as we forgive them that trespass against us.
and then and "all these things shall be added unto you." :
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done,
in earth as it is in heaven.
The Buddha said in Dhammapada I :
But whoever follows the way
Is joyful here and joyful there
In both worlds he rejoices
And how greatly
When he sees the good he has done.
For great is the harvest in this world,
And greater still in the next.
However many holy words you read,
However many you speak,
What good will they do you
If you do not act upon them?
Are you a shepherd
Who counts another man's sheep,
Never sharing the way?
Read a few words as you like
And speak fewer.
But act upon the way.
Give up the old ways-
Addiction/using others, hatred, and ignoring.
Know the truth and find peace.
Share the way.
=2E.......
:)
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> Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> major in electrical engineering
> mechanized infantry reservist
> hordad AT otenet DOT gr
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