Re: Addressing Francophobianz

"Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <noone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > > The ideals behind American Revolution went back to Europe; and
Europe
>> > > adopted America's best traits, while America adopted many of
Europe's
>> > > ugliest ones.
>> > >Europeans stole _our_ freedom!
>>
>> > freedom begins between the ears.
>> > if it leaks out it deserves to be stolen
>> >Nice point `@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ....except the idea of "deserves"....seems a bit
>> >vindictive...
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>> those who leak freedom from their ears
>> may need a little vindictiveness.
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> i would say that they just need to remember what freedom implies,
> the path there to, the rights and responsibilities...

yep. and when one allows that
leak to effulge it is one's own
responsibility for freedom
between the ears and not some
alleged freedom thief as such.

> "Vindictiveness" implies revenge, causing harm to others...The endless
> sorts
> of blood feuds we see played out around the world in tribal/racial/
> nationalist wars.
> There is no end to "Your uncle killed my cousin so I'll kill your
> sister..."
> <end quote>
> matthew 6:38 retaliation
> Been said by the Lord 2000 years ago.

you were there ?

>> the world
>> tends to divide and conquer itself into
>> victims and victimizers. if you don't follow
>> the patterns of victimizer you may get
>> taken to be just another victim.
>
> In Transactional Analysis that would be called a "script" -
> if you buy into that script you become a prisoner of it.
> We can see many examples of people who were "victimized",
> vow never to be victimized again, and so become victimizers.
> Abused children who go on to become child abusers.
> If you do not buy into the script you do not have to play
> that game at all. Oppressive governments and revolutionaries
> breed on each other's violence. To break the cycle of violence
> you have to step outside of us vs. them script.
> We have seen the revolution win to become the same
> as the old boss more than enough times.

never fear. this too shall pass.

>>
>> >for what? Being indoctrinated as a child?
>>
>> yes, that balkrishna principle, the beingness
>> without much of the identification milieu in
>> place. to be young and stupid, pure bliss.
>
> ...
>
>>
>> >Anyhoo, the "American Revolution", good idea or not was only sup****ted
>> >by a third
>> >of the *colonial* populace, another third remained loyal to the crown,
>> >and a third were undecided.
>>
>> all things thrice compounded ?
>
> Did i say all things? i'd have to dredge through dozens of history
> books if you want
> ref for this rough break-down...seems to be the average numbers for
> the American
> Revolution...

man's genetic heritage animal
nature needs time to play out
in evolutionary cycles

>>
>> >This might have been one of the bad examples that lead to the Maoist
>> >dictum that political
>> >power stems from the barrel of a gun.
>>
>> this too shall pass
>
> Not if you're either a victim or victimizer.

all things will pass