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> > > The ideals behind American Revolution went back to Europe; and
Europe
> > > adopted America=92s best traits, while America adopted many of
Europe=
=92s
> > > ugliest ones.
> > >Europeans stole _our_ freedom!
>
> > freedom begins between the ears.
> > if it leaks out it deserves to be stolen
> >Nice point `@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ....except the idea of "deserves"....seems a bit
> >vindictive...
>
> those who leak freedom from their ears
> may need a little vindictiveness.
i would say that they just need to remember what freedom implies,
the path there to, the rights and responsibilities...
"Vindictiveness" implies revenge, causing harm to others...The endless
sorts
of blood feuds we see played out around the world in tribal/racial/
nationalist wars.
There is no end to "Your uncle killed my cousin so I'll kill your
sister..."
> the world
> tends to divide and conquer itself into
> victims and victimizers. if you don't follow
> the patterns of victimizer you may get
> taken to be just another victim.
In Transactional Analysis that would be called a "script" -
if you buy into that script you become a prisoner of it.
We can see many examples of people who were "victimized",
vow never to be victimized again, and so become victimizers.
Abused children who go on to become child abusers.
If you do not buy into the script you do not have to play
that game at all. Oppressive governments and revolutionaries
breed on each other's violence. To break the cycle of violence
you have to step outside of us vs. them script.
We have seen the revolution win to become the same
as the old boss more than enough times.
>
> >for what? Being indoctrinated as a child?
>
> yes, that balkrishna principle, the beingness
> without much of the identification milieu in
> place. to be young and stupid, pure bliss.
=2E..
>
> >Anyhoo, the "American Revolution", good idea or not was only sup****ted
> >by a third
> >of the *colonial* populace, another third remained loyal to the crown,
> >and a third were undecided.
>
> all things thrice compounded ?
Did i say all things? i'd have to dredge through dozens of history
books if you want
ref for this rough break-down...seems to be the average numbers for
the American
Revolution...
>
> >This might have been one of the bad examples that lead to the Maoist
> >dictum that political
> >power stems from the barrel of a gun.
>
> this too shall pass
Not if you're either a victim or victimizer.
>
> >Far from being "democratic" the revolution was caused by a violent
> >minority.
> >The Loyalists refugees and many of the undecided fled to the north
> >(what would
> >later become "Canada") - The Native Peoples were never consulted and
> >we see how "fairly" they
> >were later treated by the United States. Canada followed suit with
> >abuses, but not quite
> >equaling their southern kin in atrocities. The Residential Schools
> >were are more recent atrocity
> >but not quite equal to the death marches and such, nor the abuses of
> >Southern Slavery, Northen
> >Factories, etc...
> >...land of the free...
>
> pack yer bags and move
i did. 14 years ago from L.A. Calif. to British Columbia,Canada.
Earthquakes, Floods, Fires, Plagues, Riots, Gangs, Pollution, Rabid
Media, Police State -
- not a place i wanted my children to grow up...
They have grown up free, neither victims or victimizers.
Are you free?
- n.
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