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Re: Cafeteria Zen

by norbu.tragri@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 7, 2008 at 04:09 AM

On May 6, 4:27 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> herbzet wrote:
> > herbzet:
>
> > > Takuji:
>
> > > > First, how do you exclude one thing from
> > > > your consciousness?
>
> > > Do you not do that all the time?
>
> > > Example: play a game of chess -- watch the world drop away!
>
> > To dilate on this:
>
> > I think you may have got hung up on the word "one".  I mean,
> > exclude any content of conciousness.
>
> > Instead of chess, I should stick with the title theme:  It's
> > time for lunch, stop thinking about what the boss wants!
>
> > Is it not a common thing to turn our mind away from this or
> > that?  "I'm not going to think about that right now" -- Scarlett
> > O'hara.
>
> > To be sure, some things are easier to drop than others -- "I can't
> > stop thinking about it" -- we've all been there.  When lunch is
> > over, however, it's time to get serious again, right?
>
> > To willfully exclude things from conscousness is a bit
> > muscular, not the peaceful "letting go" that is so often
> > talked about.  I imagine some people are better at "letting
> > go" than "throwing out", for others the reverse may be true.
>
> > I know that at a certain point in late infancy, children are
> > better at grasping then letting go.  They'll wave their hand
> > around with an object in it, a little frustrated: they haven't
> > mastered releasing yet.
>
> > Think of an actor: at eight o'clock, he or she must put their
> > mind in a certain place.  Ordinary consciousness must be excluded,
> > they have to be someone else.
>
> > We have a certain ability to turn our conscousness this way
> > and that.  Some people more than other, perhaps, some times
> > easier than other times, some things easier than other things.
>
> > I used to think of concentration as a focusing, like using
> > a magnifying glass to concentrate the sunlight on a small
> > point.  I have found it better to think of concentration
> > as: excluding everything from consciousness except what
> > you are trying to concentrate on, letting that thing fill
> > up your mind.
>
> > The point is, one can, to a greater or lesser degree,
> > exclude things from consciousness, and this is very
> > ordinary.  Watch how the mind will throw something up
> > to replace what is thrown out!
>
> > What's at the bottom of the stack? Is there a bottom?
>
> herbzet has described the concentration as used in
> Bushido.
>
> <<Think of an actor: at eight o'clock, he or she must put
> their mind in a certain place.  Ordinary consciousness
> must be excluded, they have to be someone else.>>
>
> <<I have found it better to think of concentration as:
> excluding everything from consciousness except what
> you are trying to concentrate on, letting that thing fill
> up your mind.>>
>
> Tang Huyen

There were endless disagreements in what was the right practice of
Bushido.
And these disagreements didn't just come from the various schools of
Buddhism,
differing traditions of Shinto, and eventually Christianity entered
into the fray.

i studied Kyodo with On-yumishi Kanjuro Shibata XX a decade or so
ago...
there were elements of Zen in the practice, but also the Shinto sense
of Inari
in the way if time...the future causing the past. Shibata Sensei,
twentieth
generation bow maker and Kyudo instructor to the Royal Family had no
problem in
breaking with tradition where he saw a flaw :

"In Japan, Shibata became concerned that his students were too fixated
on merely hitting the target, and were treating ky=FBd=F4 as a sport
rather than a meditative art. He felt they were becoming too
competitive. Shibata thus represents a view of ky=FBd=F4 different from
the All Japanese Ky=FBd=F4 Federation (ZNKR) and Japanese Bud=F4
Association. Rather than as a meditative art, ZNKR promotes ky=FBd=F4 as a
traditional bud=F4 art combining equally both physical and mental
development. These differences have led Shibata to exclude his
tradition from the official Japanese bud=F4 associations.

"Since 1980, Shibata has founded over 25 ky=FBd=F4j=F4 in the United
States,=

Canada and Europe.

"Shibata does not rank his students (i.e. there is no belt or dan
system), and there is no testing or
contests within the school."

( - from the Wiki article on him)

That's the trend that was emerging in some Samurai traditions, and why
some Daimyo Lords thought it best to exterminate them and replace them
with newly elevated peasant and bourgeois soldiers - new
folks who would have no self-respect and would feel totally dependent
on their new patrons for
their sudden social prestige. The Samurai had began to value their own
intelligence and
judgment and found many Daimyo a bit lacking in both as well as
ethics...


  - n.




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