Re: Cheap thrills (was Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?)

On May 6, 7:22=A0pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:58:12 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >On May 5, 9:27?pm, RaaN <raan2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> On May 5, 5:06 am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >> > On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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> >> > <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> > >On May 4, 6:56?am, Tang Huyen
<tanghuyen{dele...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > >wrote:
> >> > >> Raymond wrote:
> >> > >> > RaaN:
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> >> > >> > >Raymond:
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> >> > >> > >> "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > >> > >> >The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look at it at
any=
 time, it
> >> > >> > >> >is an illusion and can be dropped. But this is also an
illus=
ion.
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> >> > >> > >> How can the realization of illusion be an illusion itself?
?I=
s the
> >> > >> > >> dreamer still dreaming when he wakes up? or has the dreamer
w=
aken up
> >> > >> > >> yet?
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> >> > >> > >It can be an illusion itself if realization is also illusory
an=
d
> >> > >> > >awakening is like a lucid dream rather than any actual
awakenin=
g so
> >> > >> > >the dream persists despite a dream realization that it is a
dre=
am.
> >> > >> > >One might be awake but on LSD and think one is having a
waking =
dream.
> >> > >> > >So what then is awakening at all but another delusion?
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> >> > >> > Since cheap awakening is a dime a dozen in this day and age,
who=

> >> > >> > cares?
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> >> > >> > :-)
>
> >> > >> On the theory of the universal Buddha-nature,
> >> > >> awakening is basic and universal, therefore it
> >> > >> is not just a dime a dozen but flat-out free. It
> >> > >> is the default, inalienable state, which we could
> >> > >> not drive away if we wanted to.
>
> >> > >But we can cover it up until we are no longer able to recognize
it,
> >> > >touch it, hear it's voice. That's why the Buddha taught
cultivation
> >> > >because...
>
> >> > Pure bull****. The reason you think you can cover it up is because
yo=
u
> >> > never really had it in the first place. What makes you think you
are
> >> > so powerful that you can deny Christ? It is only because you are
the
> >> > son of the Devil who will never call Christ your true father.
>
> >> > >> Even so, why bother, especially about
> >> > >> distingui****ng between awakening and delusion
> >> > >> or whatever? Better just relax and be serene.
> >> > >> Actually, such a blas=E9 attitude would be
> >> > >> perfectly at home with the Buddha-nature,
> >> > >> wouldn't it? The Buddha-nature would be
> >> > >> inherent to it, like built-in, wouldn't it? They
> >> > >> would fit each other like hand and glove,
> >> > >> wouldn't they?
>
> >> > >...just relaxing and being serene in the face of everything that
we
> >> > >added and piled up over our Buddha nature takes cultivation, a
peeli=
ng
> >> > >away of the mistaken habits we've built up over it in ignorance.
If =
it
> >> > >was easy or simple to relax and be serene in the face of our
enemies=
,
> >> > >in the face of hateful people, in the face of cir***stances that
pus=
h
> >> > >the limits of credulity, then the Buddha could have stayed
meditatin=
g
> >> > >under his tree and never uttered a word.
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> >> Why are the self proclaimed wor****ppers of the God of Love so often
> >> filled with such Hate?
> >> --
>
> >Are you asking me to repeat myself? :)
> >Ever hang out with people who are constantly invoking some ideal like
> >God or Patriotism or whatever. It's creepy, always rings hollow to me.
>
> You could be a far better believer than a stupid zen Buddhist.

Aww shucks are you softening up? Is that a Ray of compassion, like
there's hope for me or something? Geez man seeing your tender side is
making me get misty.