Re: Cheap thrills (was Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?)

On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:27:19 -0400, RaaN wrote
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> On May 5, 5:06 am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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>> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> On May 4, 6:56?am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Raymond wrote:
>>>>> RaaN:
>> 
>>>>>> Raymond:
>> 
>>>>>>> "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
":
>> 
>>>>>>>> The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look at it at any
time, it
>>>>>>>> is an illusion and can be dropped. But this is also an illusion.
>> 
>>>>>>> How can the realization of illusion be an illusion itself? ?Is the
>>>>>>> dreamer still dreaming when he wakes up? or has the dreamer waken
up
>>>>>>> yet?
>> 
>>>>>> It can be an illusion itself if realization is also illusory and
>>>>>> awakening is like a lucid dream rather than any actual awakening so
>>>>>> the dream persists despite a dream realization that it is a dream.
>>>>>> One might be awake but on LSD and think one is having a waking
dream.
>>>>>> So what then is awakening at all but another delusion?
>> 
>>>>> Since cheap awakening is a dime a dozen in this day and age, who
>>>>> cares?
>> 
>>>>>> -)
>> 
>>>> On the theory of the universal Buddha-nature,
>>>> awakening is basic and universal, therefore it
>>>> is not just a dime a dozen but flat-out free. It
>>>> is the default, inalienable state, which we could
>>>> not drive away if we wanted to.
>> 
>>> But we can cover it up until we are no longer able to recognize it,
>>> touch it, hear it's voice. That's why the Buddha taught cultivation
>>> because...
>> 
>> Pure bull****. The reason you think you can cover it up is because you
>> never really had it in the first place. What makes you think you are
>> so powerful that you can deny Christ? It is only because you are the
>> son of the Devil who will never call Christ your true father.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Even so, why bother, especially about
>>>> distingui****ng between awakening and delusion
>>>> or whatever? Better just relax and be serene.
>>>> Actually, such a blasé attitude would be
>>>> perfectly at home with the Buddha-nature,
>>>> wouldn't it? The Buddha-nature would be
>>>> inherent to it, like built-in, wouldn't it? They
>>>> would fit each other like hand and glove,
>>>> wouldn't they?
>> 
>>> ...just relaxing and being serene in the face of everything that we
>>> added and piled up over our Buddha nature takes cultivation, a peeling
>>> away of the mistaken habits we've built up over it in ignorance. If it
>>> was easy or simple to relax and be serene in the face of our enemies,
>>> in the face of hateful people, in the face of cir***stances that push
>>> the limits of credulity, then the Buddha could have stayed meditating
>>> under his tree and never uttered a word.
> 
> Why are the self proclaimed wor****ppers of the God of Love so often
> filled with such Hate?
> --
> RaaN

Oh, what a very good question.   Often wondered this myself.  
Maybe it's because when you go to one extreme, blindly, nature requires
the 
other extreme to try to balance out.

tara