Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?

On May 5, 7:36=A0am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >On May 5, 6:06?am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:45:18 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >On May 3, 12:10?pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> On Sat, 3 May 2008 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >On May 3, 7:01?am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:43:25 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> >The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look at it at any
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> >> >> >> >is an illusion and can be dropped. But this is also an
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> >> >> >> How can the realization of illusion be an illusion itself? ?Is
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> >> >> >> dreamer still dreaming when he wakes up? or has the dreamer
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> >> >> >1.The self we can know is always time limited. It is like a
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> >> >> >of an arrow in flight. It is never the true self because the
> >> >> >dynamicism of an arrow in flight or the real self cannot be
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> >> >> >Why our mind cannot function like a camcorder? One explanation is
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> >> >> >many junks inside.
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> >> >> >2. Whether we do anything or not, we are always dropping the self
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> >> >> >time t.Let us call it self(t). ?But as soon as we drop self t, we
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> >> >> >picking up self(t+1). So, one's awareness of dropping the self is
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> >> >> I agree everything the mind can think of is an illusion, but that
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> >> >> not mean there is no reality which the mind can not think of. To
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> >> >> the self is an illusion is a good start, but to claim Buddhism is
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> >> >> about no self is a ****ing idiot. Buddhism is about the Buddha
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> >> >> which is the crown Jewel of this universe, and it is real and true
> >> >> more than everything else.
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> >> >The self, or Buddha-ness, is there all along but it is a self
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> >> >of time. Outside of time means outside of causation. It is also
> >> >outside the control of all power relation****ps. Hence freedom.
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> >> No. I categorically disagree.
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> >Please present your view.
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> You can never say Buddha nature is either within or without time or
> anything else let alone causation. Buddha nature is the wisdom that
> will not be fooled by space and time or causality. Remember the famous
> Chinese fox zen story?

Please relate the zen story.
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> In addition, Buddha nature is already freedom itself. There is no need
> for Buddha nature to be under certain condition to be free from
> relation****ps in order to experience freedom. It is perfection.

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