Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?

On Mon, 5 May 2008 04:04:07 -0700 (PDT), "ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On May 5, 6:06?am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >On May 3, 12:10?pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Sat, 3 May 2008 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >On May 3, 7:01?am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look at it at any
time, it
>> >> >> >is an illusion and can be dropped. But this is also an illusion.
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>> >> >> How can the realization of illusion be an illusion itself? ?Is
the
>> >> >> dreamer still dreaming when he wakes up? or has the dreamer waken
up
>> >> >> yet?
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>> >> >1.The self we can know is always time limited. It is like a
snapshot
>> >> >of an arrow in flight. It is never the true self because the
>> >> >dynamicism of an arrow in flight or the real self cannot be
captured.
>> >> >Why our mind cannot function like a camcorder? One explanation is
too
>> >> >many junks inside.
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>> >> >2. Whether we do anything or not, we are always dropping the self
at
>> >> >time t.Let us call it self(t). ?But as soon as we drop self t, we
are
>> >> >picking up self(t+1). So, one's awareness of dropping the self is
also
>> >> >an illusion.
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>> >> I agree everything the mind can think of is an illusion, but that
does
>> >> not mean there is no reality which the mind can not think of. To
claim
>> >> the self is an illusion is a good start, but to claim Buddhism is
all
>> >> about no self is a ****ing idiot. Buddhism is about the Buddha mind
>> >> which is the crown Jewel of this universe, and it is real and true
>> >> more than everything else.
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>> >The self, or Buddha-ness, is there all along but it is a self outside
>> >of time. Outside of time means outside of causation. It is also
>> >outside the control of all power relation****ps. Hence freedom.
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>> No. I categorically disagree.
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>Please present your view.

You can never say Buddha nature is either within or without time or
anything else let alone causation. Buddha nature is the wisdom that
will not be fooled by space and time or causality. Remember the famous
Chinese fox zen story? 

In addition, Buddha nature is already freedom itself. There is no need
for Buddha nature to be under certain condition to be free from
relation****ps in order to experience freedom. It is perfection.

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