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Re: Orange colour and objectivity

by norbu.tragri@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 2, 2008 at 04:04 AM

On Apr 30, 10:52 pm, "Hannele.Terv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<Hannele.Terv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Reddish colours together with green lead to good quality objectivity
>
> Blue has been the traditional colour of thiking, so people turn to the
> atmosphere of blue when they seek to increase their ability to
> objectivity.

Only in some cultures.

> But that is all wrong: the blue colour is cold and
> distances the person from the level of actual percetions. Blue is the
> rest colour of an emotional thinker, that is why it is commonly
> connected with objectivity, I guess.

Only in some cultures.
These are cultural stereotypes, only held as valid in some cultures.

> In any case, thinking consists of
> perceptions of what the world is like. So the base of thinking is in
> correct observations made by the senses, that is the ground and the
> building material of all our thinking.

That is one theory. Buddhist teaching in general suggest that thinking
follows habitual patterns and tends to be literally out-of-touch -
it creates abstractions in memory, regards these abstractions as
"real",
and so moves away from what is here "just now".

> From those perceptions we know
> what the world is like, and we can unifie them to a picture of the
> whole world by our ability to observe =96 based on our experience of
> life =96 what are the common features that stay unchanged from situation
> to situation.

Buddhist teaching say something quite different - "common features"
only
exist as abstract memory constructions, - if examined in mindfulness,
the "just this-ness" (tathata) there is no formal continuity.
Continuity exists,
so to speak, in the open undefined pre-conceptual experience.

> For example all people need food and they guide their
> actions with the help of their own understanding, even though often
> social and emotional things matter a lot.

And such an approach often fails in a social context - people look for
those who are trustworthy
to work with and help, people who are trying to get get an angle and
be a parasite on their society
are often regarded with caution. Their societies might help them, but
there are warning flags attached.

> So what is the colour of accurate sure perceptions about the world?

All colours if you trust your heart.

> For a holistic view of the world which you need to form in your mind
> (here live I, there is the street, there the food shop that I visit
> daily, there the river and the houses where my friends live with huge
> trees growing in the garden,=85 A picture of the whole world in this
> way, of all that you know: placing things to a map of the world, where
> you can zoom in and out, you get easily and naturally the best
> possible holistic view of the world!), the colour of observing that
> holistic view in your mind is the colour for observing a landscape
> with lively eyes: GREEN!

You answer before questioning. Green has a quality of questioning -
the colour
is evocative of action, but in practice it works with all other
colours...

Think about that for awhile...Green buds turn to every colour as the
seasons go by...

> For making accurate observations in your daily life in order to add
> them to your picture of the world, to understand those sides of life
> better, you need vivid eyes, alive in the middle of the action.

Yes, just so. Sorry to seem to disagree with you on fine points,
i'm actually agreeing with you on the main point of your post.


> That
> is the colour of energetic movement with all the senses open to
> receive life: ORANGE. This must be one of the major aims of the
> ancient Buddhist in choosing the orange colour to symbolise Buddhism:

The colour was "saffron" actually. From the pollen of the early spring
crocus flowers - saffron was used to dye the robes of the dead by
beggars/
mendicants-saints who had left home for the spiritual life.

The homeless took on the robes of the dead purified by pollen.
You might look into the Indic world-view as to the why and such of
that...

> if you keep your eyes open, you will learn at least something about
> the things that you meet in your life. And so you will be able to
> guide your life better: to live a happier life!

Good advice.

> For understanding what the things in your life mean to life, to your
> own life and to others as well as to the world at large: how they
> affect your living environment which determines your chances in life,
> you need feelings: feelings about your own life, compassion toward
> others and feelings about the living environment and the ways of
> living (=3D feelings about the nature, moral and ideals at least).
> Feelings reflect the im****tance of things to life.

Good advice. Good insight.

> This is easy to
> understand with extremes, like if someone dies, that leaves a dark
> atmosphere,

 - no, not quite, - someone dying and moving on can leave a halo of
light,
all they experienced and learned in life being entrusted to those who
live on...
Open sun on seeds, no darkness at all...

> and if a new baby is born, that brings a very positive
> reddish atmosphere.

Red for love, green for growth and action, gold for questions, blue
for examination, white for unity,
black for making it all real...Tantra.

> Similarly with other things in life feelings
> indicate whether something is positive or negative. In this one needs
> to be analytical: there are several sides to each thing, both positive
> and negative, so we typically feel in many different ways about each
> thing in life. The goal in observing feelings is to follow the
> positive feelings and to get rid of the causes of negative feelings:
> rid of needless destruction at the same time as cultivating healthy
> happy natural and moral (moral means health of the society and that is
> good for yourself because health is the strongest and happiest option)
> way s of living.

Just so.

> So the goal is to aim at the reddish direction. By
> loving the RED colour in its unsymbolical form we give room to
> feelings.

Well...that wouldn't hurt...

In tantra the basic approach is balance the colours... There is no
Tantra if one
does not understand that the mandala has four gates - friendliness,
compassion,
rejoicing, and equanimity. These four gates exist in Theravada
buddhadhamma as well
as th Brahnavihara-s...

> That helps us to safeguard the health of ourselves, of our
> social relation****ps (helathy =3D most beneficial, says the theory about
> evolution's competition) and of our living environment. Noticing
> feelings when thinking makes us observe the signifigance of things to
> life. That is why the red colour makes you strong.

Every colour makes you strong. Strength is proved by being unbroken
with transrforming
with the winds....teaching buddhadharma to the worldly, the wannbe-
transworldly,
and whatever cult and reductionist view...

When folks think there is a dead limited truth, let them know that
there
is a bigger world of life without limmits...

  - n.   :)
 




 5 Posts in Topic:
Orange colour and objectivity
"Hannele.Tervola@[EM  2008-04-30 22:52:44 
Re: Orange colour and objectivity
norbu.tragri@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-02 04:04:11 
Re: Orange colour and objectivity
"Hannele.Tervola@[EM  2008-05-08 03:21:40 
Re: Orange colour and objectivity
norbu.tragri@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-08 04:39:27 
Re: Orange colour and objectivity
"Hannele.Tervola@[EM  2008-05-10 23:48:56 

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