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Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?

by Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{delete}@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM

"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:

> Before get into the goal of buddhism, a more general question is
> religion. What is the commonality among all relgions? What is
> underlying all suffering?
>
> In the wewt, power is the root of all evil. Money is economic power.
> The common phrase in the west is Lord Aton's "Power tends to corrupt;
> absolute power corrupt absolutely."  And of course, the westtern
> conception is wrong. The Chinese or eastern approach is
> "relation****p." Combing east and west, the underlying cause of all
> surffering is "power relation****p."
>
> First, "power relation****p" is ubiquitous. It is everywhere. Every
> relation****p we have is a power relation****p in which we coerce or we
> are coerced. Interpersonally, intrapersonally and with nature.
>
> Sceond, "power relation****p" is what we learnt from the beginning. It
> does not take long for a baby to discover that everytime she cries,
> her mom will pick her up or feed her or otherwise attending to her
> needs.
>
> Thrid, "power relation****p" brings suffering because we are often
> coerced to do something that we don't want to do. Of course, we learn
> to turn the table around. For example, fire is to be feared until we
> learnt to control fire. The ability to use fire then because a
> hallmark of humanness. However, there are always more things/desires
> that can coerce us.
>
> Buddhism is an attempt to escape from this ubiquitous "power
> relatio****p,"  especially the intra-personal relation****p because the
> self and his desires. Detachment means not to be coerced by one's
> desires or one's vision of a certain tuture and its associated
> suffering. Awakening in this sense means one is with eternity without
> suffering.

It is often said that traditional society consists of "we"
whereas modern, especially modern Western society,
consists of individuals. In the USA individualism runs
rampant, so much so that people are trapped in their
own bubbles, so that people so to speak carry their
own prison around. Chinese society is composed of
liaisons, connexions or relation****ps (guan-xi, lian-xi),
regardless of political system. In that sense Chinese
society is still pre-modern. (By the way, Communism
has destroyed religions in China almost entirely, but
the family system inherited from Con****ianism is
still intact).

That said, in Buddhism, there is a funny contradiction.
On one hand, Buddhist theory emphasises relations,
mutual relations that go on indefinitely, especially in
causality, and yet in practice the sage is independent
and self-sufficient. Relations are to loosen up one's
sense of individuality, and awakening is to free oneself
of all identifications, especially to one's self, as one no
longer creates a self for one to carry around. Freedom
is freedom from norms and standards, especially the
biggest and baddest of them, the norms and standards
of one's self, the norms and standards that constitute
one's self. In freedom one has dropped norms and
standards, and is free to roam untrammelled, though of
course one is still bound by physical and social laws.

Tang Huyen
 




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Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?
"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-25 05:21:07 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-01 10:18:32 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-05 05:05:32 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 09:28:38 
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Dave K <dkotschess@[EM  2008-05-01 10:41:13 
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_F  2008-05-01 19:07:32 
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oxtail <oxtail@[EMAIL   2008-05-01 19:23:57 
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=?UTF-8?B?RMOpasOgIEZsdQ=  2008-05-01 20:25:51 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-01 17:43:25 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 07:01:28 
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"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-03 10:31:23 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-04 01:02:26 
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Dave K <dkotschess@[EM  2008-05-02 06:38:21 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-02 09:46:56 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-03 10:23:19 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 10:18:33 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 10:40:01 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 09:40:49 
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Bill Pfeifer <billpfei  2008-05-05 22:41:01 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-03 07:33:10 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 22:38:39 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-04 01:13:04 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 12:10:55 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-04 03:39:20 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-05 16:30:41 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 18:38:52 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 23:24:40 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-03 08:33:43 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 14:16:19 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 05:52:58 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-04 06:56:23 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 07:02:07 
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Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-04 07:26:13 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 07:51:29 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-05 02:03:51 
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fred kepler <fkepler@[  2008-05-04 14:05:21 
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jfezl07@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 19:30:04 
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"possum" <ze  2008-05-07 03:34:38 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-06 19:31:36 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-07 03:51:19 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 06:40:42 
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jfezl07@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 19:52:52 
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"possum" <ze  2008-05-07 04:10:46 
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"possum" <ze  2008-05-07 04:12:05 
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"possum" <ze  2008-05-07 04:16:35 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-06 20:56:41 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-07 04:31:59 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 14:24:52 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 08:05:07 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 14:12:48 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-04 18:18:00 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-05 02:26:24 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-04 18:27:03 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 05:06:51 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-04 18:45:18 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 06:06:12 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-05 04:04:07 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 07:36:44 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 18:25:03 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 23:37:07 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 18:27:19 
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tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 21:42:07 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-07 03:22:57 
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tara <jackpine@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 11:25:06 
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"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-07 16:53:21 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-08 03:17:42 
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"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-08 09:27:16 
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dt <daletx@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 14:52:30 
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"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-08 17:12:58 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 23:30:47 
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RaaN <raan2000@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 18:32:04 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-05 18:34:33 
Re: Cheap thrills (was Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?)
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 23:31:42 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-05 19:50:19 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-06 15:58:12 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 19:22:01 
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Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-07 03:49:43 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-06 16:18:58 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-07 04:28:54 
Really cheap spirituality (was Re: Cheap thrills)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-05-07 07:42:26 
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Keynes <Keynes@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 12:08:49 
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Ron Fuller <rfuller@[E  2008-05-08 03:30:57 
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"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-07 11:16:09 
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norbu.tragri@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-07 05:34:07 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-07 05:40:56 
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"^@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-07 10:17:08 
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Awaken21 <lukecarlos@[  2008-05-11 14:22:11 
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"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-11 21:37:12 
Re: Cheap thrills (was Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-05-12 04:50:59 
Re: Cheap thrills (was Re: Interiority? Or inter-relatedness?)
"Evelyn Ruut" &  2008-05-12 06:50:11 

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