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Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)

by Robert Epstein <vze256xu@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2008 at 05:08 PM

Tang Huyen wrote:

> 
> Robert Epstein wrote:
> 
> 
>>Good to see you in any case.
>>
>>If sitting under a tree is the solution,
>>and people are not the problem,
>>where does that leave sangha?
>>where does that leave compassion?
>>
>>I prefer the razor's edge of the Diamond Sutra
>>to an either/or solution:
>>
>>a.  "The bodhisattva saves countless beings."
>>b.  "The boddhisattva does not allow the thought to arise
>>      that he is saving countless beings."
>>c.  "Even though countless beings are saved, in truth there are no
>>      beings,they are just called such."
>>
>>In other words, he acts without a sense of separate self, he acts
>>without a sense of a separate other, yet he still does act
>>compassionately and does not refrain from acting on behalf of others.
> 
> 
> The issue to me is not about self and others,
> separate or not, real or not, but it is how to
> know for sure that what I want to do to
> others is good or bad. Marx was
> unquestionably motivated by humanitarian
> motives, but look at the Communist
> movement that took inspiration from him.
> Pol Pot and Khien Sampan were sure that
> they did good and that they did not do evil.
> How can I be sure that I do good and don't
> do evil? What guarantees to me that my
> motivation is good and not evil and that my
> actions that derive from it are good and not
> evil? How can I set myself up as the model
> for all others to follow, especially if I force
> them to follow me? And if my sangha will
> correct me if I am wrong, why did the
> Japanese sangha not correct the Japanese
> Zen masters  who trained the Samurai-s at
> war skills right in the meditation halls and
> who vocally advocated the Japanese side
> of WW II without any hesitation? They
> also quoted Buddhist scriptures in the
> sup****t of their nationatistic ideology. At
> least the Communists did not.
> 
> Tang Huyen
> 
> 

If we do not use our awareness to make decent decisions that affect 
ourselves and those around us, we have little hope of doing anything 
worthwhile.  There is always a risk of making a bad choice, but if we 
don't hold onto views and practice mindfulness we have a decent chance 
of being helpful.  Those who have created consistent bad results have 
always been attached to a dogma even when the evidence suggested a 
change was necessary.  We don't have to fall into that trap.  Just be a 
bit open and the truth will reveal itself as it changes.

Robert

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Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
"dkotschess@[EMAIL P  2008-04-22 15:27:19 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-04-23 14:30:45 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-04-23 10:46:45 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-04-23 10:00:12 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-04-23 17:08:39 

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