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Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)

by Hollywood Lee <hollywoodlee@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Tang Huyen wrote:
> 
> Robert Epstein wrote:
> 
>> Good to see you in any case.
>>
>> If sitting under a tree is the solution,
>> and people are not the problem,
>> where does that leave sangha?
>> where does that leave compassion?
>>
>> I prefer the razor's edge of the Diamond Sutra
>> to an either/or solution:
>>
>> a.  "The bodhisattva saves countless beings."
>> b.  "The boddhisattva does not allow the thought to arise
>>       that he is saving countless beings."
>> c.  "Even though countless beings are saved, in truth there are no
>>       beings,they are just called such."
>>
>> In other words, he acts without a sense of separate self, he acts
>> without a sense of a separate other, yet he still does act
>> compassionately and does not refrain from acting on behalf of others.
> 
> The issue to me is not about self and others,
> separate or not, real or not, but it is how to
> know for sure that what I want to do to
> others is good or bad. Marx was
> unquestionably motivated by humanitarian
> motives, but look at the Communist
> movement that took inspiration from him.
> Pol Pot and Khien Sampan were sure that
> they did good and that they did not do evil.
> How can I be sure that I do good and don't
> do evil? What guarantees to me that my
> motivation is good and not evil and that my
> actions that derive from it are good and not
> evil? How can I set myself up as the model
> for all others to follow, especially if I force
> them to follow me? And if my sangha will
> correct me if I am wrong, why did the
> Japanese sangha not correct the Japanese
> Zen masters  who trained the Samurai-s at
> war skills right in the meditation halls and
> who vocally advocated the Japanese side
> of WW II without any hesitation? They
> also quoted Buddhist scriptures in the
> sup****t of their nationatistic ideology. At
> least the Communists did not.


I never know with absolute certainty whether my actions or inactions 
with respect to others are helpful or harmful.  And yet, it is an 
empirical fact that I both act and don't act in each moment.  Further, I 
appear to be able to use my own sense and reflection to make tentative 
judgments about the skillfulness or unskillfulness or my actions and 
intentions.  And so, I move forward, making choices that sometimes help, 
sometimes not, but generally looking for the small ways I can help.

So far, the balance seems to favor the help column.
 




 5 Posts in Topic:
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
"dkotschess@[EMAIL P  2008-04-22 15:27:19 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-04-23 14:30:45 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{  2008-04-23 10:46:45 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Hollywood Lee <hollywo  2008-04-23 10:00:12 
Re: The model (was Re: Sh*t happens)
Robert Epstein <vze256  2008-04-23 17:08:39 

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