On Feb 11, 7:48 pm, Awaken21 <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Feb 11, 7:11 am,norbu.tra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Feb 10, 5:31 am, Awaken21 <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Feb 10, 7:53 am,norbu.tra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Feb 8, 9:56 am, Awaken21 <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > San Sheng asked Hsueh Feng, "I wonder, what does the golden fish
who
> > > > > has passed through the net use for food?"
> > > > > Feng said, "When you coume out of the net I'll tell you."
> > > > > Sheng said , "The teacher of fifteen-hundred people and you
don't even
> > > > > know what to say!"
> > > > > Feng said, "My affairs as abbot are many and complicated."
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> > > > > My Comments;
> > > > > Most popluar koans show us a teacher and a student, there is
greater
> > > > > understanding and a lessor understanding. This one is different
in
> > > > > that both of these gentlemen are Zen adepts. There is literally
no
> > > > > teacher and no student here, just two Chan masters ****ning
bright.
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> > > > > My Comments by line;
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> > > > > - San Sheng asked Hsueh Feng, "I wonder, what does the golden
fish who
> > > > > has passed through the net use for food?"
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> > > > > The hook is baited, take the bait and lose your life, leave the
bait
> > > > > and starve to death. You either get it or you don't, there's no
room
> > > > > for error here.
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> > > > > - Feng said, "When you coume out of the net I'll tell you."
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> > > > > Unfazed a golden fish easily breaks the line and swallows the
bait.
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> > > > > - Sheng said , "The teacher of fifteen-hundred people and you
don't
> > > > > even know what to say!"
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> > > > > Most people would pretty much be forced into the corner by
Feng's
> > > > > response, but of course Sheng is not most people, he makes the
follow-
> > > > > up look easy.
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> > > > > - Feng said, "My affairs as abbot are many and complicated."
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> > > > > Finally we understand, there is no picking or choosing, Feng was
never
> > > > > in danger of being caught and Sheng was never going hungry, both
of
> > > > > these steely eyed monks are beyond measure. Do you yet
understand what
> > > > > those who have escaped the net use for food yet? If not you
should
> > > > > probably study this matter closely.
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> > > > Did this story actually happen?
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> > > Does God exist?
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> > you skip the point:
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> > What are you doing with your suffering?
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> It's not mine, there is only suffering.
Could be. my question was what do *you* do when suffering happens.
The question was open to everyone to post paths to,
so that any passers by might find a ghost of a clue, so that
old dogs might learn new tricks, so that old chums might share a
lifted
eyebrow, a shrudge or whatever...
How do you relate or react or negate or watch or just be or whatever
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what you do with direct suffering/turmoil/frustration/sorrow/etc...
So, again, what do you do when the chaos hits a sore point and
something like suffering happens? The world cuts through before
the reason can react and there is a big owwwww!!!! -
What do you do?
This question was open to everyone here, not directed to you per say.
Some sort of path, if there is one, or if not....
> All things accomplished
> without one who is suffering present. It seems to me it just this way
> that suffering is pulled from it's root.
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>
>
> > an honest reply might actually help other folks here....
>
> > - n.
>
> Beyond saddling me with more responsibility than I'm comfortable
with,Norbu,
heh, that's suffering for you....doggone interacting with people... :)
> are you implying that I'm anything but completely open here?
no. no. oops. sorry. my crappy shorthand of "honest" sort of referred
to
the various flux stages where nothing was particularly ideal or
determinate
as this or that and how one related with the process...
> Shame on you. Next time we go out you're buying the food.
Yeah. Right. i'd have to raise heck to get that check from you.
- anyhoo, i grabbed the mints before you could,
- here, they're pretty good... :>
- n.
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