On May 16, 7:09=A0pm, "Spd" <spadejenk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>...
> =A0 Lazarus WAS raised from the dead before the crucifiction, was he not
?=
If
> so,
> =A0 then it is logical to assume the he, and NOT christ, is the first
bego=
tten
> of the dead,
> =A0 that is assuming for the sake of argument that ANYONE was raised...
>...
I realize this is part of running polemic with Kelly for
Rodney to bring up Lazarus' raising from the dead.
However, let's treat the miracle straight.
Lazarus was dead and buried. Jesus stood outside the
tomb, said, "Lazarus, come forth!", and out he walked,
in his shroud. The result was that the Jews plotted to
destroy both Lazarus and Jesus =96 an odd reaction.
So much for the surface text. Isn't anybody suspicious
of a deeper meaning?
I like Dr. Thiering's explanation because it strips out
the supernatural -
Christian Origins Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/1592
"In place of Zadokite descent, Simon and those like him used
titles showing that they were the heavenly powers, controlling
the calendar and celestial events. Simon called himself the
Great Power of God (Acts 8: 10). Another of his titles was
=91Lightning=92, which he used in his association with =91Thunder=92,
the title of another class of priests who taught the =91sons of
Thunder=92(Mk 3: 17 )."
"When in Lk 10:18 Jesus said he saw =91Satan falling like
Lightning from heaven=92, he was referring to the defeat and
excommunication of Simon, the leader of the uprising
against Pilate in December AD 32. Simon as an
excommunicant became Lazarus, the social leper."
"Jesus re-instated him =96 =91raised him from the dead=92 (Jn 11),
thus making himself an accomplice, the basis on which he
was tried and crucified."
"When the women visited the cave, they saw a man (=91angel=92)
with an appearance like Lightning, sitting (since his legs
were broken) outside the cave (Mt 28:3). It was Simon,
whose medical knowledge had revived Jesus, applying the
aloes to expel the poison he had taken."
"Simon =96 whose reputation included the ability to work
miracles - then claimed that he had raised Jesus from the
dead. He was playing on words, since =91death=92 meant
excommunication, but he let the deception stand with those
who did not have specialist knowledge."
Her blurb with its identifications, special pesher
meanings, and a DSS reference should raise a lot of
questions for the reader.
Further, I am convinced Rodney's original question
poses no theological difficulty because the extracted
history from the NT shows that neither Lazarus nor
Jesus were raised from the dead.
d.c.
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