Re: Why was Jesus crucified?

Mordecai wrote:
> 
> cactus wrote:
> 
>> Mordecai wrote:
>>> saint7peter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 12, 9:22 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>>>>> On May 12, 10:05 am, Robert Epstein <vze25...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Foolish," "inaccurate" and "anti-semite" may be insulting, but
they are
>>>>>>> not racial insults.
>>>>>> This is just a typical example of the old switcheroo, at which
modern
>>>>>> Jews are so expert.  They commit the crime and then get someone
else
>>>>>> to do the time.  Not anymore, Upstein.  We see through all your
>>>>>> tricks.  The gig is up.
>>>>>> In other words, racism is inherent in the Jewish worldview, and so
>>>>>> Jews have always been the ones crying the loudest about "anti-
>>>>>> semitism."  It is a trick, a diversion, a deflection from their own
>>>>>> misdeeds by projecting them onto others.
>>>>> You must have a very amnesiac view of history.  Try reality
sometime; I
>>>>> know it's not for sissies, but it's a good tonic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>> Whose reality?  As rewritten Orwellian style by your kind?  I don't
>>>> think so.
>>> Umm ... Reality could be defined when your expectations of reality
turn out to
>>> be wrong - and you are forced to change your opinion.
>>> It is a simplistic definition but eminently usable - as in turning
from what you
>>> know is false ...
>>> If your old ideas are "going to give the wrong results" your new ideas
are at
>>> least going to be "possible" rather than predetermined to be wrong.
>>>
>>> I have addressed this with you several times.
>>> You keep making statements which are untrue and I merely pointed out
that they
>>> were untrue and this could be tested.
>>> Upon testing (which I did) - I discovered that your ideas and
expectations and
>>> truth were ... false.
>>> And then I asked "What now?"
>>>
>>> So what do you do when your expectations about "what is real" turns
out to be
>>> false?
>>> Do you keep hold of ideas which inevitably and invariantly are
provably
>>> incorrect?
>>>
>>>
>> I have never pj****nik alter his views base on their rightness or
>> wrongness.  The only thing that seems to change them is his momentary
>> brain chemistry and the latest mythos he reads.
>>
> 
> Ah no - he is learning though he does not realize it.
> 
> If you know someone who has a traumatic spinal injury such as soft
tissue damage in a
> car accident - the body responds short term ... medium term and long
term.
> Short term - the body tightens an area to prevent movement and give the
body a chance
> to recover. (approx 48 hours)
> Medium term - the body continues to prevents certain movements which
hurt, and adapts
> to what the body sees as a permanent disability. (approx six months)
> Long term, the body creates another posture which encompassed the
refusal of the body
> to use the injured area ... even if it has later recovered.
> 
> In changing into the long term position, the body goes through one or a
series of
> massive changes to the way you move so that the "forbidden movement" is
encompassed
> into the very essence of the way you move. Your entire body is effected
as every
> single movement requires differences.  It is in this crisis where you
LEARN another
> way to move.
> And in the crisis, everything you do is somehow "wrong" and  gives you
pain.
> 
> This is true both with the normal progression of the degeneration of the
spine, and
> also when you restore movement in an otherwise "permanent" injury
pattern.
> As I can testify as I recovered  from  25% permanent disability.  You
have to learn
> how to move again ...
> But alas, as I am the only one who has recovered - then you really have
to take my
> word for things :-(
> After all, "permanent" is a legal term used by doctors to say "no
recovery is
> possible" and so recovery is indeed ... unusual to say the least. Not
quite
> unprecedented but pretty close to it!
> 
> The crisis within the body requires you to literally "reprogram" the
motor cortex -
> which is the interface between the brain and the body.
> Consider it as the sub process of the brain which controls movement.
> And when you relearn how to move - either in the instinctive way, or in
the
> counterintuitive way of recovery, your entire body changes.
> 
> The crisis is the change to all the ways you have preciously done
things.
> 
> Likewise, Peter is being shown that his ideas are incorrect and he has
to get to a
> crisis point and change.
> Like the physical changes in the body, so also in the mental picture of
the way the
> universe works, it takes time to change EVERYTHING.
> 
> It is not yet  time to judge him as the crisis has not yet arrived.
> He is trying to work out how to keep as much of his ideas as possible,
change the
> least amount - get the world back on course.
> That is NORMAL, INSTINCTIVE and as far as I can tell, the most logical
way to approach
> even learning, let alone changing.
> 
> I do take exceptions to some posters who - when presented with proof and
given time to
> change ... taken carefully to the crisis point and confronted - wimp
out.
> These enter a fantasy realm. If you prefer, a self induced delusion or
insanity - and
> I have no methodology to dealing with such a decision.
> 
> Peter has a long way to go.
> And it is way too soon to presume what the outcome is going to be.
> But I can assure you he IS learning ... and most of the learning is not
on the
> intellectual level of the mind.
> 
Wow, that was an eye-opener!  Well done.  I congratulate you on your 
recovery and your ability to talk about it.  I know how difficult it is 
to do what you did.  I have lived with mobility impaired people, and it 
is amazing what they go through. I especially appreciate the personal 
insight.

I hope you are right about pj.  I'd love to resume the interesting 
conversations we had ealier.

Regards


> 
> --
> Mordecai!
> 
> When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
> When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality
is wrong, and
> reality is Never wrong.
> 
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