Re: Why was Jesus crucified?

On May 13, 12:45=A0am, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
spam)"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> > On May 13, 12:09 am, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
> > spam)"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > cactus wrote:
> > > > Mordecai wrote:
>
> > > > > saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
> > > > >> On May 12, 9:22 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> > > > >>> saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> > > > >>>> On May 12, 10:05 am, Robert Epstein <vze25...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrot=
e:
> > > > >>>>> "Foolish," "inaccurate" and "anti-semite" may be insulting,
bu=
t they are
> > > > >>>>> not racial insults.
> > > > >>>> This is just a typical example of the old switcheroo, at
which =
modern
> > > > >>>> Jews are so expert. =A0They commit the crime and then get
someo=
ne else
> > > > >>>> to do the time. =A0Not anymore, Upstein. =A0We see through
all =
your
> > > > >>>> tricks. =A0The gig is up.
> > > > >>>> In other words, racism is inherent in the Jewish worldview,
and=
 so
> > > > >>>> Jews have always been the ones crying the loudest about
"anti-
> > > > >>>> semitism." =A0It is a trick, a diversion, a deflection from
the=
ir own
> > > > >>>> misdeeds by projecting them onto others.
> > > > >>> You must have a very amnesiac view of history. =A0Try reality
so=
metime; I
> > > > >>> know it's not for sissies, but it's a good tonic.
>
> > > > >>> Robert
> > > > >> Whose reality? =A0As rewritten Orwellian style by your kind?
=A0I=
 don't
> > > > >> think so.
>
> > > > > Umm ... Reality could be defined when your expectations of
reality=
 turn out to
> > > > > be wrong - and you are forced to change your opinion.
> > > > > It is a simplistic definition but eminently usable - as in
turning=
 from what you
> > > > > know is false ...
> > > > > If your old ideas are "going to give the wrong results" your new
i=
deas are at
> > > > > least going to be "possible" rather than predetermined to be
wrong=
..
>
> > > > > I have addressed this with you several times.
> > > > > You keep making statements which are untrue and I merely pointed
o=
ut that they
> > > > > were untrue and this could be tested.
> > > > > Upon testing (which I did) - I discovered that your ideas and
expe=
ctations and
> > > > > truth were ... false.
> > > > > And then I asked "What now?"
>
> > > > > So what do you do when your expectations about "what is real"
turn=
s out to be
> > > > > false?
> > > > > Do you keep hold of ideas which inevitably and invariantly are
pro=
vably
> > > > > incorrect?
>
> > > > I have never pj****nik alter his views base on their rightness or
> > > > wrongness. =A0The only thing that seems to change them is his
moment=
ary
> > > > brain chemistry and the latest mythos he reads.
>
> > > Ah no - he is learning though he does not realize it.
>
> > > If you know someone who has a traumatic spinal injury such as soft
tis=
sue damage in a
> > > car accident - the body responds short term ... medium term and long
t=
erm.
> > > Short term - the body tightens an area to prevent movement and give
th=
e body a chance
> > > to recover. (approx 48 hours)
> > > Medium term - the body continues to prevents certain movements which
h=
urt, and adapts
> > > to what the body sees as a permanent disability. (approx six months)
> > > Long term, the body creates another posture which encompassed the
refu=
sal of the body
> > > to use the injured area ... even if it has later recovered.
>
> > > In changing into the long term position, the body goes through one
or =
a series of
> > > massive changes to the way you move so that the "forbidden movement"
i=
s encompassed
> > > into the very essence of the way you move. Your entire body is
effecte=
d as every
> > > single movement requires differences. =A0It is in this crisis where
yo=
u LEARN another
> > > way to move.
> > > And in the crisis, everything you do is somehow "wrong" and =A0gives
y=
ou pain.
>
> > > This is true both with the normal progression of the degeneration of
t=
he spine, and
> > > also when you restore movement in an otherwise "permanent" injury
patt=
ern.
> > > As I can testify as I recovered =A0from =A025% permanent disability.
=
=A0You have to learn
> > > how to move again ...
> > > But alas, as I am the only one who has recovered - then you really
hav=
e to take my
> > > word for things :-(
> > > After all, "permanent" is a legal term used by doctors to say "no
reco=
very is
> > > possible" and so recovery is indeed ... unusual to say the least.
Not =
quite
> > > unprecedented but pretty close to it!
>
> > > The crisis within the body requires you to literally "reprogram" the
m=
otor cortex -
> > > which is the interface between the brain and the body.
> > > Consider it as the sub process of the brain which controls movement.
> > > And when you relearn how to move - either in the instinctive way, or
i=
n the
> > > counterintuitive way of recovery, your entire body changes.
>
> > > The crisis is the change to all the ways you have preciously done
thin=
gs.
>
> > > Likewise, Peter is being shown that his ideas are incorrect and he
has=
 to get to a
> > > crisis point and change.
> > > Like the physical changes in the body, so also in the mental picture
o=
f the way the
> > > universe works, it takes time to change EVERYTHING.
>
> > > It is not yet =A0time to judge him as the crisis has not yet
arrived.
> > > He is trying to work out how to keep as much of his ideas as
possible,=
 change the
> > > least amount - get the world back on course.
> > > That is NORMAL, INSTINCTIVE and as far as I can tell, the most
logical=
 way to approach
> > > even learning, let alone changing.
>
> > > I do take exceptions to some posters who - when presented with proof
a=
nd given time to
> > > change ... taken carefully to the crisis point and confronted - wimp
o=
ut.
> > > These enter a fantasy realm. If you prefer, a self induced delusion
or=
 insanity - and
> > > I have no methodology to dealing with such a decision.
>
> > > Peter has a long way to go.
> > > And it is way too soon to presume what the outcome is going to be.
> > > But I can assure you he IS learning ... and most of the learning is
no=
t on the
> > > intellectual level of the mind.
>
> > > --
> > > Mordecai!
>
> > Nice to get the perspective of evil on my own humble self. =A0Actually
> > you are not telling me anything I don't already know about your evil
> > intentions and scheme to do evil to me. =A0I guess that gives you a
> > sense of power and dominion, but it will never change my mind one
> > iota.
>
> > A man convinced against his will remains unconvinced still.
>
> > Actually, Mordecai, I did not know the relative depth of evil between
> > you and Cactus****, for instance. =A0Now it is clear that you are
really=

> > the chief demon here. =A0Does that make your head swell? =A0Or
anything
> > else swell? =A0God, I hope not!
>
> > BTW, **** you Mordecai. =A0Drop dead.
>
> Sorry Peter, I am doing NOTHING to teach you or cause you to change
except=
 to tell you when
> your ideas are incorrect.
> And most times, I do not even bother to do that as you are quite capable
o=
f checking your
> own ideas and do not need me to teach you.
>
> I have merely mapped out how ANYONE changes.
>
> Except when JC gets involved ... now he managed to jump start the
process =
of change.
> And a scribe came fo him and said "I will follow you anywhere." And JC
rep=
lied "Foxes have
> their holes, birds of the air have their nests -but the son of man has
now=
here to lay his
> head."
>
> Obviously JC was able to see the innermost desires of this man - see
where=
 these would cause
> him to fail - find the key for the man, present the key in a masterfully
c=
ontrol of the
> situation - force the man to face the issue, make a choice and do
SOMETHIN=
G. However whilst
> he forced the man to choose, he did not manipulate the man into making
any=
 particular choice
> - that was left entirely in the realm of the man.
> And an examination of who gets an advantage out of such behaviour - one
co=
ncludes that JC
> was a very kind man ... as the other man was free, fully accountable,
resp=
onsible for his
> choices, and able to accomplish his own goals and dreams.
> It is the ultimate in respect, honour and acceptance of another as a
human=
..
>
> However, just because JC could jump start the process of change, choice
an=
d decision, I am
> far from his standard and have to do things the hard way.
> Which is to know the process of change, and to allow people to change
for =
themselves.
>
> I state again that you are learning ... and that you have not yet
reached =
a point where you
> are forced to change.
> And as I have no idea what is right for you - I refuse to pass judgement
u=
ntil you go
> through that process.
>
> Now, stop trying to sow hate, and thus manipulate me in responding (hate
f=
or hate), and then
> using my hate to justify to yourself that you have a right to reject me.
> I have enough manipulation on a much deeper level to laugh at you.
> I know VERY WELL what you are seeking to do.
>
> Unfortunately, even if you dismiss me, the process of learning and
change =
is not dependant
> on me so rejecting me is not relevant to what you are going through.
>
> --
> Mordecai!

You know what you are doing Mordecai.  You can't defeat me in debate -
I have demolished you and your kind at every turn - so now you are
threatening me with the black magic of your false God.  May the power
of the true Masters reverse all of your black magic and return it to
you multiplied by the power of the love of Jesus.  Drop dead,
Mordecai!  Suffer the Judgement of the LORD G-D, JHVSA, aka JEHOSHUA
MO****ACH.