Re: Why was Jesus crucified?

saint7peter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> On May 13, 12:09 am, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
> spam)"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > cactus wrote:
> > > Mordecai wrote:
> >
> > > > saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >
> > > >> On May 12, 9:22 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > >>> saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> > > >>>> On May 12, 10:05 am, Robert Epstein <vze25...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> > > >>>>> "Foolish," "inaccurate" and "anti-semite" may be insulting,
but they are
> > > >>>>> not racial insults.
> > > >>>> This is just a typical example of the old switcheroo, at which
modern
> > > >>>> Jews are so expert.  They commit the crime and then get someone
else
> > > >>>> to do the time.  Not anymore, Upstein.  We see through all your
> > > >>>> tricks.  The gig is up.
> > > >>>> In other words, racism is inherent in the Jewish worldview, and
so
> > > >>>> Jews have always been the ones crying the loudest about "anti-
> > > >>>> semitism."  It is a trick, a diversion, a deflection from their
own
> > > >>>> misdeeds by projecting them onto others.
> > > >>> You must have a very amnesiac view of history.  Try reality
sometime; I
> > > >>> know it's not for sissies, but it's a good tonic.
> >
> > > >>> Robert
> > > >> Whose reality?  As rewritten Orwellian style by your kind?  I
don't
> > > >> think so.
> >
> > > > Umm ... Reality could be defined when your expectations of reality
turn out to
> > > > be wrong - and you are forced to change your opinion.
> > > > It is a simplistic definition but eminently usable - as in turning
from what you
> > > > know is false ...
> > > > If your old ideas are "going to give the wrong results" your new
ideas are at
> > > > least going to be "possible" rather than predetermined to be
wrong.
> >
> > > > I have addressed this with you several times.
> > > > You keep making statements which are untrue and I merely pointed
out that they
> > > > were untrue and this could be tested.
> > > > Upon testing (which I did) - I discovered that your ideas and
expectations and
> > > > truth were ... false.
> > > > And then I asked "What now?"
> >
> > > > So what do you do when your expectations about "what is real"
turns out to be
> > > > false?
> > > > Do you keep hold of ideas which inevitably and invariantly are
provably
> > > > incorrect?
> >
> > > I have never pj****nik alter his views base on their rightness or
> > > wrongness.  The only thing that seems to change them is his
momentary
> > > brain chemistry and the latest mythos he reads.
> >
> > Ah no - he is learning though he does not realize it.
> >
> > If you know someone who has a traumatic spinal injury such as soft
tissue damage in a
> > car accident - the body responds short term ... medium term and long
term.
> > Short term - the body tightens an area to prevent movement and give
the body a chance
> > to recover. (approx 48 hours)
> > Medium term - the body continues to prevents certain movements which
hurt, and adapts
> > to what the body sees as a permanent disability. (approx six months)
> > Long term, the body creates another posture which encompassed the
refusal of the body
> > to use the injured area ... even if it has later recovered.
> >
> > In changing into the long term position, the body goes through one or
a series of
> > massive changes to the way you move so that the "forbidden movement"
is encompassed
> > into the very essence of the way you move. Your entire body is
effected as every
> > single movement requires differences.  It is in this crisis where you
LEARN another
> > way to move.
> > And in the crisis, everything you do is somehow "wrong" and  gives you
pain.
> >
> > This is true both with the normal progression of the degeneration of
the spine, and
> > also when you restore movement in an otherwise "permanent" injury
pattern.
> > As I can testify as I recovered  from  25% permanent disability.  You
have to learn
> > how to move again ...
> > But alas, as I am the only one who has recovered - then you really
have to take my
> > word for things :-(
> > After all, "permanent" is a legal term used by doctors to say "no
recovery is
> > possible" and so recovery is indeed ... unusual to say the least. Not
quite
> > unprecedented but pretty close to it!
> >
> > The crisis within the body requires you to literally "reprogram" the
motor cortex -
> > which is the interface between the brain and the body.
> > Consider it as the sub process of the brain which controls movement.
> > And when you relearn how to move - either in the instinctive way, or
in the
> > counterintuitive way of recovery, your entire body changes.
> >
> > The crisis is the change to all the ways you have preciously done
things.
> >
> > Likewise, Peter is being shown that his ideas are incorrect and he has
to get to a
> > crisis point and change.
> > Like the physical changes in the body, so also in the mental picture
of the way the
> > universe works, it takes time to change EVERYTHING.
> >
> > It is not yet  time to judge him as the crisis has not yet arrived.
> > He is trying to work out how to keep as much of his ideas as possible,
change the
> > least amount - get the world back on course.
> > That is NORMAL, INSTINCTIVE and as far as I can tell, the most logical
way to approach
> > even learning, let alone changing.
> >
> > I do take exceptions to some posters who - when presented with proof
and given time to
> > change ... taken carefully to the crisis point and confronted - wimp
out.
> > These enter a fantasy realm. If you prefer, a self induced delusion or
insanity - and
> > I have no methodology to dealing with such a decision.
> >
> > Peter has a long way to go.
> > And it is way too soon to presume what the outcome is going to be.
> > But I can assure you he IS learning ... and most of the learning is
not on the
> > intellectual level of the mind.
> >
> > --
> > Mordecai!
>
> Nice to get the perspective of evil on my own humble self.  Actually
> you are not telling me anything I don't already know about your evil
> intentions and scheme to do evil to me.  I guess that gives you a
> sense of power and dominion, but it will never change my mind one
> iota.
>
> A man convinced against his will remains unconvinced still.
>
> Actually, Mordecai, I did not know the relative depth of evil between
> you and Cactus****, for instance.  Now it is clear that you are really
> the chief demon here.  Does that make your head swell?  Or anything
> else swell?  God, I hope not!
>
> BTW, **** you Mordecai.  Drop dead.

Sorry Peter, I am doing NOTHING to teach you or cause you to change except
to tell you when
your ideas are incorrect.
And most times, I do not even bother to do that as you are quite capable
of checking your
own ideas and do not need me to teach you.

I have merely mapped out how ANYONE changes.

Except when JC gets involved ... now he managed to jump start the process
of change.
And a scribe came fo him and said "I will follow you anywhere." And JC
replied "Foxes have
their holes, birds of the air have their nests -but the son of man has
nowhere to lay his
head."

Obviously JC was able to see the innermost desires of this man - see where
these would cause
him to fail - find the key for the man, present the key in a masterfully
control of the
situation - force the man to face the issue, make a choice and do
SOMETHING. However whilst
he forced the man to choose, he did not manipulate the man into making any
particular choice
- that was left entirely in the realm of the man.
And an examination of who gets an advantage out of such behaviour - one
concludes that JC
was a very kind man ... as the other man was free, fully accountable,
responsible for his
choices, and able to accomplish his own goals and dreams.
It is the ultimate in respect, honour and acceptance of another as a
human.

However, just because JC could jump start the process of change, choice
and decision, I am
far from his standard and have to do things the hard way.
Which is to know the process of change, and to allow people to change for
themselves.

I state again that you are learning ... and that you have not yet reached
a point where you
are forced to change.
And as I have no idea what is right for you - I refuse to pass judgement
until you go
through that process.

Now, stop trying to sow hate, and thus manipulate me in responding (hate
for hate), and then
using my hate to justify to yourself that you have a right to reject me.
I have enough manipulation on a much deeper level to laugh at you.
I know VERY WELL what you are seeking to do.

Unfortunately, even if you dismiss me, the process of learning and change
is not dependant
on me so rejecting me is not relevant to what you are going through.


--
Mordecai!

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and
reality is Never wrong.