On May 10, 1:15=A0pm, Rod <icom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Bill Samuel wrote:
> > By definition, miracles are things that happen that we can't explain
> > by regular naturalistic means. =A0So one would expect that many
> > contem****ary educated people in industrialized societies would find
> > them implausible.
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> > In fact, miracles continue to happen (as Jesus foresaw). =A0They are
> > noted more often in societies that are less industrialized where the
> > expectation that everything will have a clear, scientific explanation
> > is not so rooted.
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> =A0 =A0 =A0In other words...where they are not scrutinized so closely
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> > I do believe many miracles happened with Jesus. =A0My view on the
> > Gospels is that these are attempts to show who Jesus was, not simple
> > recitations of events as they actually occurred. =A0That is sup****ted
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> > the fact that the early church accepted four different Gospels, and
> > didn't seem to be bothered that there were some details different in
> > them. =A0I look upon it more like today a great person's life might be
> > pictured in 2-hour movies (a gospel can be made into a 2-3 hour
> > movie). =A0Obviously one can't include most of the facts in the
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> > life (Luke in fact explains that in his gospel), but you capture the
> > essence of it by picturing some actual events, concatenating multiple
> > events into one that gives a picture of what kinds of things happened
> > in the person's life, make up incidents which carry elements of actual
> > events but better serve to tell the story, etc. =A0So I don't know
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> > all the miracle stories in the NT are exact descriptions of actual
> > miracles, but I think they accurately show what kind of miracles
> > happened with Jesus.
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> =A0 =A0I'm somewhat reserved in this area, as an atheist,
Now you're playing the atheist card, Rodney? Do you ever get tired of
being such a player of other people?
> but I'm open to
> =A0 =A0the possibility of miracles. The thing that concerns me is, are
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> =A0 =A0authentic, and how does a society keep the real frauds from
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> =A0 =A0to beguile innocent peoples ?
"Beguile innocent peoples"? You mean like you with Steve Winter?
That was more like a liar believing a madman (or was it the other way
around?). Then again, I guess it is *you* who is now trying to
"beguile" the "innocent" of SRQ, right Rodney Eastman?
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