i hendry leon wrote: "..because one did not pay attention to what
came
out of the other
person's mouth."
Kirby Urner wrote:
> Called "mindfulness training" -- paying attention to what actually is
incl=
udes
> being ruthless with that "inner voice" that's always judging and
> self-importantly providing overvoice while others are talking (or maybe
it=
's
> simply thinking of the next thing to say -- no sponteneity).
> Anyway, tell it to shut up. Other traditions call it "yamma yamma" --
mon=
key on
> your back (or shoulder). Not to be confused with Quaker still small
voice=
--
> which hasn't got a chance when ol' monkeybrain has the floor.
I hendry leon, do not know who you are or what are the motives behind
the writing,
neither do I know how many monkeys you believe to have on your back,
but I don't have this thing which you describe above.
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Hendry Leon" <hendryl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>has committed an error: because one did not pay attention to what came
>out of the other person's mouth (instead, one was judging during this
>very specific time in which one had to have been listening.
Called "mindfulness training" -- paying attention to what actually is
includes
being ruthless with that "inner voice" that's always judging and
self-importantly providing overvoice while others are talking (or
maybe it's
simply thinking of the next thing to say -- no sponteneity).
Anyway, tell it to shut up. Other traditions call it "yamma yamma"
--
monkey on
your back (or shoulder). Not to be confused with Quaker still small
voice --
which hasn't got a chance when ol' monkeybrain has the floor.
>Through the forming/creating a circle of destruction of the other
>person's image, negative and destructive of him/her: THIS IS NOT LOVE.
Krishnamurti good on this too. Takes courage to let go of an image
of
another,
built up over the years, but mostly just to stabilize a self image,
not to
really be in communication with them.
>the very moment one condemns someone else, in that very instant one
>falls under the judgement of someone else who perceives one in that
>specific manner.
It's not wrong to judge, but judge and condemn aren't the same
concept. Think
of how a medical professional tries to reach for a diagnosis. A
diagnosis is a
kind of judgment, but isn't a condemnation of anything (as if the
virus cares).
>Hendry Leon
Thanks for sharing.
Kirby
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From: hendryleon
Date: Dec. 19, 2005
"..because one did not pay attention to what came out of the other
person's mouth."
Kirby Urner wrote:
> Called "mindfulness training" -- paying attention to what actually is
incl=
udes
> being ruthless with that "inner voice" that's always judging and
> self-importantly providing overvoice while others are talking (or maybe
it=
's
> simply thinking of the next thing to say -- no sponteneity).
> Anyway, tell it to shut up. Other traditions call it "yamma yamma" --
mon=
key on
> your back (or shoulder). Not to be confused with Quaker still small
voice=
--
> which hasn't got a chance when ol' monkeybrain has the floor.
I hendry, do not know who you are or what are the motives behind the
writing,
neither do I know how many monkeys you believe to have on your back,
but I don't have this thing which you describe above.
In the writing in which your person quotes me: I have put to practice
grace and tact in the manner with which i have described occurrences
in my everyday life which have been manifested towards me by members
of
specific cultural backgrounds (I adhered to this type of writing in
which i am quoted above- the use of the third person, not wishing to
be
direct and sound accusatory.).
Forgive me, as I am nobody of importance neither do I have at this
very
moment/stage in my life, specific credentials for any specific
profession in life.
Hendry Leon
* Dialogue (something which i learned to put to practice) : In the
course of an interaction/conversation, there may be factors that
prevent one or come to serve as obstacles so that one may not present
with liberty, will not feel at ease/liberty to speak: these may be
personal complexes...self-acknowledgments/realizations of factors/
circumnstances that pertain to one...
=2E..reason why (passionate speakers encountered)- the dialogue
(specifically: I agreed with the persons with whom I would be having
the discussion of a specific topic prior to starting such- usually
two
of us engaged in it- myself and the other person with whom I sought
to
engage in the dialogue; that he/she would speak for an accorded time
of
the same length as I. If we agreed to speak for 30 mins., then each
one
(as a personal ethic- usually the other person would share with me
first. ) would individually speak for 30 mins., without interruption
in
the absolute from each other during the course of this time: even if,
there were lapses of no-speaking during such period...to meditate in
what words to say, or seek/look for evidence in a book/literature, to
present during this time or something like this- quietly....for as
long
as such time took- without having to worry or be placed in a
role/position of anxiety that the other person would cut in (the flow
of what one- he/she/myself was saying.).
Without any interruption during each other's time.
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Date: 19 Dec 2005 14:32:00 -0800
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A mistake was made the very first time I inadvertently wrote comments
here- thinking that it was a kind of MSN- I did not know what and how
a
newsgroup worked (in fact, didn't come to use a computer for internet
purposes outside of university campus until 2001- this whole time
under
the protective confines of my university Internet student access
system); again, I do not cease to ask for forgiveness in this.
I had someone of the knowledge of who my family is (but rejecting my
claim of vulnerability- without their support or interest in anything
pertaining to my person, ever since I came to Canada.) approach me
with
the intention to force me into a box destructful of my person in
his/her approach towards me prior to our interaction. Basing his/her
approach towards me- using this which was originally written on this
Newsgroup (which i have tried many times to erase but have not been
able to, as the originating e-mail address: chat system,
chat.carleton.ca at university no longer exists.) many years ago (the
origin of all this subsequent writing. Had i been able to erase it, i
would have never written in this newsgroup subsequently after), as
the
basis with which to approach me.
This, written for certain persons who were in my everyday life:
Myself, someone who somehow managed to enter university- academic
year
Sept '97- April '98 a part-time student under a program for adult
applicants wishing to enter into a full-time program. My greatest
achievement as a person with only a high school diploma (graduated
from
high school in '96) came to put me into a very tough decision as a
person at the end of that next Summer of '98- August of '98. I
obtained news in the form of a letter towards the end of June of '98,
that I had not only passed the interview for a position (at the CR-03
Level) within the National Archives of Canada as a clerk but had won
the competition for the position, surpassing above all competitors.
Almost like a dream come true- a competition beating so many other
applicants for just one position with the Archives. One position, and
it was obtained and won based on tests results, by me- Hendry that
June
of '98. With only my high school diploma and waiting that Summer of
'98, for the response from the university to see whether I would be
accepted admission into a full-time program based on the marks
obtained
as a part-time student that previous academic year: '97-'98.
My joy, I accepted the position and started, only to receive a letter
a
few weeks later, towards the end of August '98 from Carleton
University, telling me that I had been accepted into a full-time
program in university.
Almost like a dream come true. The letter telling me that I had been
accepted into the Sociology Program at Carleton University. I had a
decision to make- either continue working full time in this very
short-term position as a clerk (shortest of terms but with the
opportunity as there is- for an extension and another term to be
obtained.), from where there could have been perhaps opportunities
along the way if such, nothing was for certain, and risk to study on
a
part-time basis (f there was a way for such); my joy however, I
immediately resigned this term position and accepted entering into
full-time studies in university that Fall of '98.
My more or less dream come true at last- finally being accepted into
university that August of '98, based on marks obtained as a part-time
student that previous academic year '97-'98 (such had been my
motivation that year- on papers which I wrote, while a part-time
student. I got involved in my university student council as student
council clerk, next year- that Summer of '98, came to be selected
from my university by an organization called Frontier College, to
work
and do volunteer work among Mexican migrant farm workers in Southern
Ontario, where I happened to find myself, when I found out the news
that I had won and had been selected for this federal government
competition- even though I believe starting on the shortest term the
federal government gives in competitions).
All this, having just finished my academic year as a part-time
student,
wishing to enter and be accepted into a full-time program in
university. In all this- the sadness of the type of "relationship"
that existed with my family.
September '98, I could finally enter and be accepted into a program
in university.
To "delightful":
hi hendry, thanks for your input and letting me see alot more fully
the
reasons for your postings at this newsgroup. i wish you well!
"..but wanted to say hang in there man! "
(Delightful: I do not understand why you are so eager to reply to my
postings when I have never written nor replied to you. I fail to
understand the reason- whether you took something as though it was
somehow written to you. I have no idea who you are- I have never
written to you for you to reply.).
I do not know if you are a male or a female- I do not know what gives
you the liberty to address my person in such manner. In the home
where
I come from I was treated as "usted". This is the culture of the
home where I come from- serviceable but respectful of other persons,
if
I, in person, were to meet your person, from my mouth your person
would
never ever hear me directing myself to your person in such manner-
whoever your person happens to be. I do not give myself such
liberty-
and your person: I do not know who you are.
Who are you? I do not know you- if you are a male or a female.
LOVE (a meditation to self):
Love blesses.
Emotion curses or seeks to find a way to curse the other person.
Emotion curses- love blesses
1. What occurs in my life is cyclical: the existence of money in my li
financial situation becoming a mockery to God, while the psycho
professing Christian (gideon lee) who sought to establish concepts
about me because of the lack of trust towards the female in his life.
2. I am a man, what is the insistence of these twins that in knowing
my financial situation (myself have seen myself without the material
belongings of hilda martinez/sergio martinez as something which grants
me ID in this life before i left their home. thus have when i finally
arrived at a church in my life, there did not exist 'tu' in my
interactions with anyone at a church.) now at a distance- with their
knowledge that i would not return to their church, insisted to
establish about me, that i not be seen as a man around them?
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