Yowie wrote:
> Rod wrote:
>> Yowie wrote:
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Faith healing is bull, period.
>>>> It doesn't happen !
>>> I disagree.
>>>
>>> Faith healing happens all the time.
>>>
>>> Mostly, I suspect its just the 'placebo effect'; the mind having been
>>> convinced via faith (in what seems fairly irrelevant) that the body
>>> will be healed then goes ahead and does 'mind magic' to expidite the
>>> healing. The brain is a strange device.
>>>
>>> However, there are 'miracles' out there - of cancers going into
>>> remission for no understandable reason,
>>
>> This is true, but that doesn't mean that we as humans revert back to
>> our superstitious state of mind and star ooh-ah'ing and dancing around
>> the bonfire while chanting the gregorian rite of life !
>
> Well, no we don't *have* to, however, if (some of) us 'we humans' get
some
> satisfaction and fulffilment from oohing, aahing, dancing around the
bonfire
> and chanting the Gregorian rite of life, should we not be allowed to do
it?
>
> The odd thing about a person (me) who generally likes Quakerism is that
I
> also like rituals. Not *empty* rituals, but rituals that mean something
to
> the person or people carrying out the ritual.
>
> And dancing around a bonfire and singing uplifting songs sounds like a
> really uplifting, spiritual experience to me.
>
>> There IS a cause for this effect though we haven't a clue what
>> drives it, and the proof for this is seen in nature itself and the
>> human body.
>
> Perhaps we could call that 'cause' for want of a better word "God"?
>
>>> for example. Perhaps these 'miracles' are
>>> simply things we don't understand yet - but 'faith' is about things
>>> we don't understand anyway.
>> No, ignorance is about things that we don't understand, and IN
>> ignorance we attribute that which we cannot rationlize into something
>> that still can't be dealt with and understood.
>>
>> There is NO all seeing sky pixie thats magically going to pluck us
>> from deaths door, or heal us or even look after us in this universe,
>> there IS just US to take care of us. It's our responsibility to look
>> after one another, no one else will.
>
> I don't necessarily believe in a magical sky pixie, but I do believe
there
> is more to life than juse the phsyical plain. I do believe in an unknown
(or
> perhaps an unrecognsied) intelligence that we can turn to for guidance
and
> help. Perhaps that is just ourselves, perhaps its not. It doesn't
*feel*
> like myself when I feel I am in communion with it. I call this thing
"God".
> YMMV.
>
> However, yes, I agree it is our responsibility to look after ourselves.
>
> Yowie
>
>
Look, I'll play it straight from the chest here. I don't believe in
god, I did once and found myself to be misled and screwed up. I do
believe there is something out there; thiongs going on that can't be
explained. People seeing, for lack of a better term, "ghosts", and
some hard evidence captured to sup****t this. Is their another world
beyond this life ? yea, I'd like to think so, but what I hope for does
have any bearing on reality, but that doesn't mean I'll accept with
any amount of grace Christianity's beliefs. We are just at the edge of
trying to find the truth, and unless science enters in an participates
in the search we will all only learn what the amateur researchers find.
Rod
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