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What might I mean by 'This Church is True'?

by "Gerald Fuller" <gfuller1930@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 14, 2008 at 04:10 AM

Quite often I hear someone bear a testimony saying, "I know this Church is 
True". Of course I hear this in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day 
Saints, and don't recall ever hearing it in any other sect or
denomination. 
I know that I have also seen, at least in News Groups, the question, what 
does it mean for a Church to be true, or "How can a church be true?" Well,
I 
wonder myself sometimes what people mean by what they say, and there is 
really no way to find out but to ask them. Sometimes when I have tried
that, 
they assume that I am disagreeing with what they said, when all I want is
to 
understand what they meant by what they said.

Anyway, I decided to look in my copy of LDS Collectors Library 2005 and
see 
what the lexicon gave for the words translated as :true" in the New 
Testament. Here are two of the words that I found that are translated 
"true".

Here is one such finding

alethes {al-ay-thace'}
Greek: adjective
Possible Definitions:
1) true
2) loving the truth, speaking the truth, truthful
alethes {al-ay-thace'}
Greek: adjective
from 1 (as a negative particle) and 2990;
Translated as:
true (23 times)
truly (1 time)
truth (1 time) (25 times)
Strong's Number 227
TDNT - 1:232,37

If I say that the Church is true in this sense I would mean that the
church 
loves the truth and speaks the truth.

Here is the other word that I found. (I don't know if there are more. I
did 
not attempt to be exhaustive)

alethinos {al-ay-thee-nos'}
Greek: adjective
Possible Definitions:
1) that which has not only the name and resemblance, but the real nature 
corresponding to the name, in every respect corresponding to the idea 
signified by the name, real, true genuine
   1a) opposite to what is fictitious, counterfeit, imaginary, simulated
or 
pretended
   1b) it contrasts realities with their semblances
   1c) opposite to what is imperfect defective, frail, uncertain
2) true, veracious, sincere
alethinos {al-ay-thee-nos'}
Greek: adjective
from 227;
Translated as:
true (27 times)
Strong's Number 228
TDNT - 1:232,37

Now I would be saying, "I know the Church has not only the name of The 
Church of Jesus Christ, and it not only resembles the Church that Jesus 
Christ established on the earth in the Meridian of Time, but its real
nature 
corresponds in every respect to that Church. It is not fictitious, it is
not 
counterfeit, we do not merely imagine that Jesus Christ is its Head."

We do not have original words for the Book of Mormon, and the original
words 
for the Doctrine and Covenants so far as I know were English so using the 
"LDS Reference Library 2005" for the word true as used in the materials we

have through Joseph Smith I found the following for what "true" means:

Quote
TRUE, adjective [Saxon treow, treowe, faithful, and as a noun, faith,
trust; 
Swedish tro; Danish troe; German treu; Dutch trouw, trust, loyalty, 
fidelity, faith; trouwen, to marry; Gothic triggus, faithful; triggwa. a 
pact or league, a truce. This is the real orthography, coinciding with 
Swedish trygg, Danish tryg, safe, secure, and Welsh trigiaw, to stay, to 
tarry, to dwell, that is, to stop, to set. The primary sense of the root
is 
to make close and fast, to set, or to stretch, strain, and thus make 
straight and close.]
1. Conformable to fact; being in accordance with the actual state of
things; 
as a true relation or narration; a true history. A declaration is true,
when 
it states the facts. In this sense, true is opposed to false.
2. Genuine; pure; real; not counterfeit, adulterated or false; as true 
balsam; the true bark; true love of country; a true christian.
Â--The true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 
1.
3. Faithful; steady in adhering to friends, to promises, to a prince or to

the state; loyal; not false, fickle or perfidious; as a true friend; a
true 
lover; a man true to his king, true to his country, true to his word; a 
husband true to his wife; a wife true to her husband; a servant true to
his 
master; an officer true to his charge.
4. Free from falsehood; as a true witness.
5. Honest; not fraudulent; as good men and true.
If king Edward be as true and justÂ--
Shak.
6. Exact; right to precision; conformable to a rule or pattern; as a true 
copy; a true likeness of the original.
7. Straight; right; as a true line; the true course of a ****p.
8. Not false or pretended; real; as, Christ was the true Messiah.
9. Rightful; as, George IV. is the true king of England.
Random House Webster's College Dictionary 1996
half-true3 adj.
Random House Webster's College Dictionary 1996
tried-and-true adj.  tested and found to be reliable or workable.
[1930–35]
Random House Webster's College Dictionary 1996
true adj., truer, truest, n., adv., v., trued, truing or trueing. —adj. 
1. 
being in accordance with the actual state or conditions; conforming to 
reality or fact: a true story.    2. real; genuine; authentic: true gold. 
3. sincere; not deceitful: a true interest in others.  4. loyal; faithful;

steadfast: a true friend.  5. being or reflecting the essential or genuine

character: the true meaning of his statement.  6. conforming to or 
consistent with a standard, pattern, etc.: a true copy.  7. exact;
precise; 
accurate; correct: a true balance.  8. such as it should be; proper: to 
arrange things in their true order.  9. properly so called; rightly 
answering to a description: true statesman****p.  10. legitimate or
rightful: 
the true heir.  11. reliable, unfailing, or sure: a true sign.  12.
exactly 
or accurately shaped, formed, fitted, or placed, as a surface or
instrument. 
13. honest; honorable; upright.  14. conforming to the type, structural 
standards, or norm of a particular group: The lion is a true cat.  15. 
PUREBRED.  16. (of a bearing, course, etc.) determined in relation to true

north.  17. Archaic. truthful. —n.  18. exact or accurate formation, 
position, or adjustment: to be out of true.  19. the true, something that
is 
true; truth. —adv.  20. in a true manner; truly; truthfully.  21. exactly
or 
accurately.  22. in conformity with the ancestral type: to breed true.
—v.t. 
23. to adjust, shape, place, etc., exactly or accurately; make true.  24. 
(esp. in carpentry) to make even, symmetrical, level, etc. (often fol. by 
up). —Idiom.  25. come true, (of a wish, dream, etc.) to become a reality.

[bef. 900; ME trewe (adj. and adv.), OE treowe (adj.) loyal, trustworthy 
(cf. TROW, TRUCE); akin to OFris, OS triuwi, OHG gitriuwi, ON tryggr, Go 
triggws trustworthy] —trueness, n.
End Quote

So to those who believe that "A Church is not either true or false",
perhaps 
there are more meanings to "true" than merely the opposite of false.
 




 5 Posts in Topic:
What might I mean by 'This Church is True'?
"Gerald Fuller"  2008-02-14 04:10:55 
Re: What might I mean by 'This Church is True'?
rasqual <scott.marquar  2008-02-14 16:38:40 
Re: What might I mean by 'This Church is True'?
"Curmudgeon" &l  2008-02-15 00:16:51 
Re: What might I mean by 'This Church is True'?
rasqual <scott.marquar  2008-02-15 14:53:49 
Re: What might I mean by 'This Church is True'?
"Curmudgeon" &l  2008-02-16 17:01:57 

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