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Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing

by Doug Jewell <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 31, 2008 at 04:26 AM

Father of Peace wrote:

> 
> The founding mythology of mormonism teaches that
> Lucifer's plan of salvation involved coercion, and that
> Christ's plan involved freedom of choice. I believe that
> a person is not living mormonism who
> votes to use the coercion of government in order
> to oppress the actions of peaceable
> non-believers.
Not sure that it is a founding "mythology", but anyway...
One thing that we teach is that everyone is free to choose 
their actions. What we have never taught, is that you are 
free to choose the consequences of your actions. There are 
various laws, eternal heavenly laws by which even God must 
abide, god-given laws for mortals to follow, and man-given 
laws created by government for us to follow. We are free to 
choose to break any of those laws, at any time we wish. But 
as sure as day follows night, there will be a consequence to 
our actions, that we have no choice about.

Think of it as stepping off a cliff - the law of gravity 
demands that things things are attracted to the ground. The 
law doesn't prevent you stepping off the cliff, and in no 
way impedes your freedom to take that action. But the law 
does govern that a consequence of that action is that you 
will accelerate toward the earth below.

In a modern society, man must create laws to govern the 
peaceful operation of society. Most laws are there to 
provide protection to people from other members of society. 
There will always be those who choose to break those laws, 
and if caught they must face the consequences set down by 
the law.

As for mormons imposing their will upon others, in many 
respects mormonism's key principles with which we will 
pressure government, are the same traditional principles 
that any of the judaeo-christian religions are based on, and 
hence the same traditional principles that pretty much the 
entire western world has incor****ated into Government. For 
example some of the 10 commandments are codified into law in 
most countries.

But much of society has rejected these values, and as this 
rejection has grown, some of these laws have been softened. 
For example, s****t and retail used to be prohibited on 
Sundays, but now they are almost universally practised in 
many countries.

As we see this softening of laws, and the consequential harm 
brought upon society as a result, what is wrong with a 
person, organisation, or religion, working to maintain laws 
that protect society? This is how democracy should work - 
the governance of the country should be done in accordance 
with the will of the majority of people. If the majority of 
the people believe that a particular behaviour is wrong and 
causes harm to society, then the majority have the right to 
create a law governing that. If the majority thinks 
otherwise, then they have a right to prevent a law being 
created, or have an existing law repealed. This is democracy 
in action.

LDS people, just like any other grouping of people, have a 
belief system that governs their behaviour and what they 
believe is correct. They have no more, nor no less, right 
than any other person to express their opinions and have 
that turned into law. Such a decision does not impact on an 
individuals right to choose, but it does govern the 
consequences of their actions, based upon what the majority 
of society believes appopriate.

There would be very few LDS who would advocate banning a 
substance like tea, but there are many who are opposed to 
public smoking. Just as there are many non-LDS who are 
opposed to public smoking. For LDS the reason may stem from 
their WoW beliefs, but for many, and for most non-LDS, the 
reason for wanting a ban is based on what science has shown 
to be the health risks not only to the smoker, but also 
those around him. There are many, not just LDS, who would 
like to be able to walk down the street without having their 
nostrils filled with the horrible pungent smoke of 
smouldering tobacco. Such a restriction would be in the 
public interest, and while a small pro****tion of the 
population would feel wronged, the majority of the 
population would benefit from cleaner air, better health, 
lower health insurance premiums etc.
 




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Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Father of Peace <srm20  2008-01-30 17:29:08 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
runsrealfast <runsreal  2008-01-30 20:32:18 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Amicus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-31 00:40:51 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Father of Peace <srm20  2008-01-31 00:53:25 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Doug Jewell <ask@[EMAI  2008-01-31 04:26:54 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Curmugeon <gfuller1930  2008-01-31 04:14:51 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
runsrealfast <runsreal  2008-01-31 18:04:45 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Father of Peace <srm20  2008-02-01 15:01:14 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
runsrealfast <runsreal  2008-02-01 15:50:30 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Father of Peace <srm20  2008-02-02 02:50:19 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Curmugeon <gfuller1930  2008-01-31 04:12:20 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
glenzabr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-01 20:30:49 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Father of Peace <srm20  2008-02-02 02:50:52 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
"cutewideeyedhobbitg  2008-02-03 02:54:48 
Re: Hinckley gone, and I'm not rejoicing
Father of Peace <srm20  2008-02-07 15:04:00 

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