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Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense

by "Zuiko Azumazi" <zuiko.azumazi@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 19, 2008 at 09:42 PM

"DKleinecke" <dkleinecke@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:2eb1c6ce-14d2-4a57-b612-b1f8bde8ed77@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Apr 3, 5:16 am, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

<snip> ...
>> > Since he was also convicted of stealing the woman's wages it seems
>> > likely to me that he considered her "one of those whom his right hand
>> > possesses". This, of course, is wrong even in traditional Muslim
>> > behavior. ...
<snip> ...

>> What makes you say that?  Is there not ample evidence of historical and
>> modern day slavery perpetrated by Muslims? Why is it wrong for Muslims
to
>> engage in a practice (possessing humans) clearly permitted in their
holy
>> book?
<snip> ...

> The woman, whatever her background, was not a slave. Hence to treat
> her as one is as offensive to Muslim Law as to any Western law.
<snip> ...

Comment:-
What is a "traditional Muslim"? You might as well say, what is a 
"traditional Christian", "traditional woman or man", or still more 
generally, a "traditional human being"! Aren't all human beings "orthodox"

in their diversity? Does anyone seriously believe that a "traditional 
Muslim", in the minds of real Muslims (say for instance in this forum), is

the same as the pickled mish-mash being trickily cast by the author of
this 
posted invective?

The point being that the "traditional Muslim" generalization, that's being

artfully identified and falsely projected, is the mythical Muslim
stereotype 
in the fanciful imaginings of anti-Muslimism extremists. The deceptive and

misleading idea of the "traditional Muslims" as the "traditional"
scapegoat 
for all the world's ills.

Isn't this is symptomatic of, according to UN Secretary General Ban
Ki-moon, 
the small-minded mythos of  "small minorities of extremists" :-

<Quote> ...
We must also recognize that the real fault line is not between Muslim and 
Western societies, as some would have us believe, but between small 
minorities of extremists, on different sides, with a vested interest in 
stirring hostility and conflict. [Ban Ki-moon]
<Unquote> ...

What are "Contem****ary Forms of Slavery"? The UN Fact Sheet at this link 
describe it as:-

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu6/2/fs14.htm

<Quote> ...
Slavery: the modern reality

Slavery was the first human rights issue to arouse wide international 
concern. Yet, in the face of universal condemnation, slavery-like
practices 
remain a grave and persistent problem in the closing years of the
twentieth 
century.

The word "slavery" today covers a variety of human rights violations. In 
addition to traditional slavery and the slave trade, these abuses include 
the sale of children, child prostitution, child ****ography, the 
exploitation of child labour, the ***ual mutilation of female children,
the 
use of children in armed conflicts, debt bondage, the traffic in persons
and 
in the sale of human organs, the exploitation of prostitution, and certain

practices under apartheid and colonial régimes.

Slavery-like practices may be clandestine. This makes it difficult to have
a 
clear picture of the scale of contem****ary slavery, let alone to uncover, 
punish or eliminate it. The problem is compounded by the fact that the 
victims of slavery-like abuses are generally from the poorest and most 
vulnerable social groups. Fear and the need to survive do not encourage
them 
to speak out.

There is enough evidence, however, to show that slavery-like practices are

vast and widespread. Just one figure tells a grim story: 100 million 
children are exploited for their labour, according to a recent estimate by

the International Labour Organisation (ILO). ...
<Unquote> ...

So, in effect, aren't we all guilty as "traditional human beings" for 
slavery in its many manifest forms around the globe? Isn't it the 
individuals that seek exemption, that mentally plead innocent, from this 
global phenomenon which are surely the real concern? This "Slavery in the 
Twenty-First Century" article, by Howard Dobson, might prick the
conscience 
of all intelligent readers. Full story of this "tradition" at this link:-

http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2005/issue3/0305p28.html

<Quote>
The modern slave trade is quite different. All racial groups are objects
of 
the trade. Though women and children are its principal victims, those who 
are bought, sold and enslaved come from almost every continent and are
sold 
into slavery in virtually every country. Unlike the transatlantic slave 
trade, they are not being recruited to work in any specific geographical 
area or any clearly defined industry or economy. True, many of the women
are 
sold as prostitutes or concubines, and the children as labourers, but
there 
are relatively few established and stable routes and markets. While the 
transatlantic slave trade was legal and carried on as a form of legitimate

commerce, the modern slave trade is illegal. Records of these underground 
business transactions are largely hidden from public view; so are the
human 
beings who are bought and sold in this twenty-first-century slave 
trafficking. The pervasiveness and the relatively invisible nature of this

illegal trafficking make it difficult to define and develop a strategy for

aboli****ng it. The question arises: "How should one begin?
<Unquote> ...

--
Peace
--
Act only according to that maxim which you can at the same time will that
it
should become a universal law. [Immanuel Kant]

Zuiko Azumazi
zuiko.azumazi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




 7 Posts in Topic:
The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
ROBIN1235000@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-31 08:01:29 
Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
DKleinecke <dkleinecke  2008-03-31 14:05:25 
Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
"Zuiko Azumazi"  2008-04-05 13:42:24 
Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
Count 1 <omnipitus2002  2008-04-03 08:16:23 
Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
DKleinecke <dkleinecke  2008-04-05 13:43:09 
Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
"Zuiko Azumazi"  2008-04-19 21:42:48 
Re: The 'Traditional Muslim Behavior' Defense
Robert <robert45@[EMAI  2008-04-08 19:56:41 

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