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Re: Religion at the Helm

by Hajj Abujamal <muslims@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 14, 2008 at 04:23 PM

Salaam!

Matt Menge wrote at soc.religion.islam:

 > ... in my mind, the biggest difference between Islam and most other
 > religions is that Islam seeks to control society at all levels.

    You state it more correctly later:

 > ... assuming that I am correct that religion does really control
 > Islamic society at all levels.

    This is more accurate ~ Islam constitutes society for muslims.  It 
does not constitute society for others, but is explicitly a nation 
apart from all others.

    What you're missing is that every society is "controlled" by some 
ethical system, to the extent that it is controlled at all.  Here in 
America the people are subject to laws contrived by legislatures made 
up of men (and women) acting in the interests of those who elect them 
to office.  And of course there are some people who violate some of 
those laws with impunity, while others are impoverished and enslaved 
by them.  You might consider comparing the "control" exercised by the 
powerful in America to the "control" exercised by the people in 
authority in early muslim society (during the period of the first four 
successors), that would give you a better perspective on your concerns.

 > There is, as I understand, a lack of social scientists in most
 > Arab countries.

    There is no theoretical "social science" in a muslim society, the 
faith details how societies function and the varieties of dysfunction 
that arise from human foibles.  Ours is not a theoretical science, it 
is an applied science.  Our social scientists are called "shaykhs" and 
"imams" and "amirs," and do not need to speculate about the human 
condition and its effects in terms of social sciences.

 > I also see a lot of Muslims looking fondly at the past instead of
 > looking forward to the future.  Is this just because their past was
 > better, or is there a deeper problem here?

    There is a deeper problem where "looking fondly at the past" sees 
no further than the dominion of the Abbasid dynasty.  Those who look 
further, into the prophetic period and the time of the first four 
successors, bring it into the present and succeed in this life and in 
the next.

 > Islam does a pretty good job of setting up fair rules, but the
 > problem doesn't seem to be so much the justness of the rules but
 > rather their multiplicity.  The non-Islamic world seems to follow
 > its own intuition about the way that society should go far more
 > frequently than Muslims do.

    Multiplicity of rules is a characteristic of American society, it 
is not a characteristic of muslim society.  Rule-making is a tendency 
of priests, and Islam has no priests.  The terminally-collapsed 
millennial muslim world has a priestly class, but it has had little to 
do with the faith other than to corrupt it and make it all but 
inaccessible to the people.  We were warned by the prophet sallallahu 
'alaihi wa sallam that this would happen among his people (the Arabs), 
and those most vociferously asserting that "it hasn't happened yet" 
are the very people of whom he spoke.

    You err seriously when you compare contem****ary muslim society 
with your ideals.  You need to more closely examine all other 
contem****ary societies and compare them with the early muslim 
community, to which contem****ary muslim society bears virtually no 
resemblance.

 > Regards,
 > Matt

was-salaam,
abujamal
-- 
astaghfirullahal-ladhee laa ilaha illa
howal-hayyul-qayyoom wa 'atoobu 'ilaihi

Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us.  Be like the better son of Adam.
 




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Re: Religion at the Helm
Hajj Abujamal <muslims  2008-03-14 16:23:41 

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