On May 11, 7:37 pm, Jani <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "B" <BGK...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Long ago I've learnt by the grace of God to look at others and send
> > them a loving thought...a spiritual hug as it were. Sometimes we have
>
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> There was a recent discussion elsewhere about the ethics of 'sending
> energies', whether well-meant or not, to other people; the general
consensus
> was that it was intrusive and unacceptable. I'm not sure if a Christian
> prayer *for* someone, rather than an 'unblocked-Christ-channel' thought
sent
> *at* them, would be a rather different concept, though?
>
B - I find a big difference in sending someone a thought of love and
then sending them energies that focus on them "doing something". I'm
not here to manipulate anyone.
> As to thinking of the person as a baby - well, whether it's
condescending or
> not, it would still seem to be something the sender, or the pray-er, is
> doing to make *themselves* feel better about the recipient.
B - well we each have our own beliefs about that obviously. Since all
of us were once babies...I see it as a way
to look at each of us as that same loving being...vulnerable...needing
love etc. Condescension does not even enter
my mind as my whole impetus is to extinguish my ego...it would be odd
for me to do so. Of course I can't be blamed for how people infer what
I am saying when I am doing the best "I" can but if one can get past
cynicism and suspicion of ulterior motives...and give others the
benefit of the doubt one might be able to see the source of why I
suggest that. How hard is it to hate a baby? how hard is it to ignore
or just judge? that is where I am coming from....see the original love
and work from there.
As I understand
> it, 'love your neighbour as yourself' doesn't mean that you first have
to
> re-shape the 'neighbour' into something more lovable, otherwise 'loving'
> would be remarkably easy.
B - loving another as myself means, for me, that I have to see myself
in that person..Ie: empathy...and to do that
means I have to see that person as ONE with me. For example if I see a
person who is continually grouchy..I could...on one hand...throw the
anger back...or I could search to understand why they are what they
are and have compassion and empathy. I can try and get past it
now....or ignore it and work on that lesson later...whatever works for
both of us. I never ignore their reasons for being what they are..in
fact that is what I try and understand right off the bat usually. I
don't ever ask that they stop being who they are in essence..but I try
and find a way to love them for who they are NOW....to see the me in
them and them in me.
>
> A baby is a wise
>
> > soul....full of love and clear as a crystal to be imprinted in this
> > new life ,,, a baby generally wants to get past the crap and just love
> > you simply and from the soul.
>
> Babies are actually incredibly self-centred little creatures.
>
B - as well.
> One of the points in the Bible that I do
>
> > believe is truth..is that God wants us to come to it as little
> > children..in that we are to be open and trusting and love...pure love
> > getting past all the ego onion layers that we build on us as we get
> > older. Ever see how children can play and get along before they learn
> > how to distrust? before they learn how to over-identify with the
> > differences and not the similarities?
>
> What age-group do you mean, here? Very small children *have* to learn to
> recognise difference,
B - again..it is a matter of degrees. When I go to a flower garden..I
love the differences, I love the variety but I am
always connected to how they are as a group..how they are alike as
well....
I tend to notice similarities first and differences second...probably
why I was not ready to exclude others on the basis of looks or race or
what have you as a child but sought to include everyone as valid.
Let's face it...we are spirits having a human experience first...and
from there the differences begin. Again..my opinion.
> I was reading an interesting article on the Golden Rule which is
relevant
> here; the author pointed out that the GR relies heavily on the actor's
> assumption that the recipient has exactly the same view of a situation
as
> they do. F'r instance, if I give food to a hungry person because I would
> want someone to do that for me, and that person is actually struggling
very
> hard with keeping a religious fast, my putting a steak dinner under
their
> nose is a harmful act, not a beneficial one. I think it's very dangerous
to
> project one's own motives on to someone else's behaviour, and act
> accordingly. That *is* egotistical. In the situation you describe, your
> initial response - that you didn't like the girl's clothes, and found
them
> irritating and ridiculous - was set aside not while you considered why
*you*
> didn't like them, but while you constructed a motivation of 'screaming
for
> love' and 'fear of being picked on' for her, and then approached her
with
> that construct in mind. Did you *really* love the chaps, as you told her
you
> did? Or did you love *yourself* better, for being nice to someone *you*
had
> categorised as insecure and exhibitionist?
>
B - good point. I actually did like the chaps...I actually wanted to
love the girl but I found a stupid irritation building in me out of
something... Yup I could easily have been putting my whole spin on the
situation...I acknowledge that...but I find it hard to find one human
being who doesn't do this. I've had people judge me and project on me
constantly...but to me..in the end...if it all results in one being
kinder...more loving...then I can't see it as bad. On the last
sentence...I can only say...I loved myself and her both better for the
learning experience.If I love someone ...it comes back to me and vice
versa because I tend to see me in them and them in me. If one wants to
read in these posts of mine "ego" ...then so be it...I post certain
posts like these because I felt that I learnt a good lesson and I
wanted to share. If someone gets something out of it that helps
them..then fantastic...if not...no biggie. I tend to find that peace
reigns more on earth when people try and find similarities towards one
another...animals..plants...etc. perhaps it is just what I refer to as
the inner Christ trying to show me our unity...who knows? Thanks for
reading and presenting me with more ways to look at something.
> Jani,
Bren
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