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Re: getting past the crap

by Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 12, 2008 at 02:37 AM

"B" <BGKent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> Long ago I've learnt by the grace of God to look at others and send
> them a loving thought...a spiritual hug as it were. Sometimes we have
> days when everyone is bugging us it seems and when I have my open
> channel to Christ unblocked I just send them a loving thought. I do
> believe that this softens things...maybe not right away..but it does
> work. Sometimes picturing this person as a baby with fear or pain
> helps your love to get to them. Now I don't mean condescension...that
> will never work for no one is better or worse than anyone else in Gods
> eyes..but to see us as creatures of God come down to this very tough
> earth school which is a remarkable thing in itself and we should be
> proud of ourselves for this...to learn...

There was a recent discussion elsewhere about the ethics of 'sending 
energies', whether well-meant or not, to other people; the general
consensus 
was that it was intrusive and unacceptable. I'm not sure if a Christian 
prayer *for* someone, rather than an 'unblocked-Christ-channel' thought
sent 
*at* them, would be a rather different concept, though?

As to thinking of the person as a baby - well, whether it's condescending
or 
not, it would still seem to be something the sender, or the pray-er, is 
doing to make *themselves* feel better about the recipient. As I
understand 
it, 'love your neighbour as yourself' doesn't mean that you first have to 
re-shape the 'neighbour' into something more lovable, otherwise 'loving' 
would be remarkably easy.

A baby is a wise
> soul....full of love and clear as a crystal to be imprinted in this
> new life ,,, a baby generally wants to get past the crap and just love
> you simply and from the soul.

Babies are actually incredibly self-centred little creatures.

 One of the points in the Bible that I do
> believe is truth..is that God wants us to come to it as little
> children..in that we are to be open and trusting and love...pure love
> getting past all the ego onion layers that we build on us as we get
> older. Ever see how children can play and get along before they learn
> how to distrust? before they learn how to over-identify with the
> differences and not the similarities?

What age-group do you mean, here? Very small children *have* to learn to 
recognise difference, otherwise they function as if everyone else was a 
'clone' of themselves, and can't understand perspectives other than their 
own. That's a fairly major factor in autism.

>
> I once saw a girl in the supermarket dressed soooooooo provocatively
> that it bordered on (to me) the ridiculous. She was wearing
> tight....see through and chaps...yes...chaps...My first
> reaction..after just looking and thinking she looked provocative...was
> to roll my eyes and get irritated. I caught myself..I caught myself in
> mid-irritation and started thinking about how much this girl wanted
> attention..that it was a self screaming for love and acceptance and
> equally fearful that she was going to get other girls picking on
> her...I could see that. She simply wanted people to SEE her..to LOVE
> her as herself. I looked at her and sidling up I said..."I love your
> chaps"..and the smile that came out of that girls face was immaculate
> and so beautiful. Probably not what the girl expected from me...not at
> all...but it made her feel good and it made me feel good that I
> stopped a stupid judgementalness and hypocrisy (heck who doesn't love
> good attention?) right in its tracks. I praised Christ for this quick
> lesson. We all need to work from a centre of love...tolerance and
> compassion and realize when ego (the need to compete and fear of being
> worse or better and away from God etc.)raises its ugly head.

I was reading an interesting article on the Golden Rule which is relevant 
here; the author pointed out that the GR relies heavily on the actor's 
assumption that the recipient has exactly the same view of a situation as 
they do. F'r instance, if I give food to a hungry person because I would 
want someone to do that for me, and that person is actually struggling
very 
hard with keeping a religious fast, my putting a steak dinner under their 
nose is a harmful act, not a beneficial one. I think it's very dangerous
to 
project one's own motives on to someone else's behaviour, and act 
accordingly. That *is* egotistical. In the situation you describe, your 
initial response - that you didn't like the girl's clothes, and found them

irritating and ridiculous - was set aside not while you considered why
*you* 
didn't like them, but while you constructed a motivation of 'screaming for

love' and 'fear of being picked on' for her, and then approached her with 
that construct in mind. Did you *really* love the chaps, as you told her
you 
did? Or did you love *yourself* better, for being nice to someone *you*
had 
categorised as insecure and exhibitionist?

Jani, who hadn't considered the GR in that light before, and finds that it

makes a LOT of sense. Although I expect that Matthew, amongst others, will

think it too relativistic :)
 




 14 Posts in Topic:
getting past the crap
B <BGKent@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-09 01:44:51 
Re: getting past the crap
Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 02:37:06 
Re: getting past the crap
Matthew Johnson <matth  2008-05-13 02:23:02 
Re: getting past the crap
B <BGKent@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-13 02:23:02 
Re: getting past the crap
Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 01:57:59 
Re: getting past the crap
Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 01:57:59 
Re: getting past the crap
B <BGKent@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-18 23:50:51 
Re: getting past the crap
B <BGKent@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-18 23:50:52 
Re: getting past the crap
Matthew Johnson <matth  2008-05-18 23:50:53 
Re: getting past the crap
Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-23 23:31:33 
Re: getting past the crap
Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-23 23:31:33 
Re: getting past the crap
Jani <jani@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-23 23:31:33 
Re: getting past the crap
Matthew Johnson <matth  2008-05-26 18:05:02 
Re: getting past the crap
B <BGKent@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-26 18:05:03 

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