Re: Learning things first hand

>> > It's the same as trying to get someone to stop being
>> >hetero***ual.
>>
>> No, it not the same.

> I've stated the evidence several times: the dismally poor 'success
> rates' of the so-called 'ex-gay' programs, which hovers around one
> percent...

It is said that insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expect 
diferent results.

The "ex-gay" programs do indeed have a dismal sucess rate, yet they
continue 
to claim "change is possible".

Even the so-called leaders of these groups have had public failures of the

very thing they hope to impose on others.