Re: the Bible, translation and gays

On Apr 13, 5:29=A0pm, rtdav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> So where do you decide what is to be ignored as culturally irrelevant
> and what is not?

B - I believe it is up to each of us to use our inner God to decide
what is truth and relevant and what is not.


> The Bible clearly condemns homo***uality.
> That does not make it correct to "bash" gays... unless gays interpret
> having homo***uality labeled as sin being bashed. Certainly there is
> no justification for trying to harm them. Gays are not really being
> singled out in the bible; homo***uality is just one of many different
> deviant sinful behaviors that we as humans reflect all the time.
> However, it is foolish to claim the bible doesn't condemn it.

B - whether it does or does not...isn't adherence to God first and
Bible maybe far down the line matter more than idolizing a book and
seeing it as not to be questioned? The Bible is not God..the Bible is
a book of books written by people who did not meet Jesus the Christ in
the flesh but had taken oral teachings of what he might have
said...these same books were reinterpreted over and over.  Whether one
believes it is Gods word inerrant or not is up to each of us.

> That said, one of the reasons the modern church sets homo***uals apart
> is their insistence it is not a sin. That is what is perhaps most
> galling and why it gets so much attention. The bible is clear that all
> sin and fall short of the glory of God.

B - perhaps then the Modern church has some work to do. Perhaps the
modern church has to decide whether the Bible should be taken inerrant
or not ...and consider themselves Idolists who put the Bible above
God.

=2E And if
> I am homo***ual, then I am wrong.
>

B - I allow God to decide over a "thing".

> Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you were born this way or have
> these feelings naturally. The bible is also clear that we are born
> into sin. We are sinners by nature. That however doesn't make it ok in
> Gods eyes. That's why we are in need of a savior, because we are lost
> in sin. Homo***uality is simply another sin that is evil in Gods eyes.
> But trying to use the bible to say it is not is to simply ignore what
> it says.
>

B - again..you are making the Book a god..and to me this is idolatry.


 You've effectively ignored
> the bible as the word of God and called him a liar.

B - rubbish. To ignore or deny some of the Bible has nothing to do
with calling God a liar. God is not the Bible and never will
be...again that is idolatry.

 The same would be
> true of a murderer who refused to see his murdering as sin.

B - everyone believes that murder is a sin.....only SOME people
believe that homo***uality is a sin. In that schism lies the truth.
Think on that. God being within tells us what is wrong and
right...even the most heinous of criminals knows that murder is
wrong.

One can never be apart from God..because God is not "over there" and
outside or ourselves. To me this is the first thing that got us
sinning...a belief in separation..a belief that all God is limited and
cannot be within us or that God can pull itself out of God.

God is all....everything is God...and God is also transcendant beyond.
It is a Koan...think on it.

In my opinion only, B.