In article <uUAKj.3683$4Q1.1005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, DKleinecke says...
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>You didn't do any research on Jesus' references to heaven so we still
>have no evidence that Jesus talked more about hell than heaven.
Well, let's see if he comes back with any. He may have never intended to
cover
that much detail in only one post.
>The indirect "references" to hell are, of course, irrelevant.
Now why would they be 'irrelevant'? Just because they are indirect? I
don't
think so!
> That
>they refer to Hell is mere exegesis.
There is nothing 'mere' about exegesis.
>Let's be crude about this. In Strong's concordance there are 14 gospel
>references to "hell" and over 150 references to "heaven". That sounds
>like more talk about heaven than about hell.
But what about all the synonyms? Not counting those would be _too_ crude.
>Most of the material about both hell and heaven is not directly
>descriptive of either (apart, of course, from Dives and Lazarus).
'Dives' is not mentioned in the Gospel! There is a _reason_ he is left
nameless!
>Mostly it describes actions that will send you to one or another.
So _what_ if it is not 'descriptive'?
>
>Mark has one pericope (9.42-48) which involves hell (he calls it
>GEENNA) and describes it (9.48) as "where the worm does not die and
>the fire is not extinguished." Matthew (5.29-30 and 18.6-9) and Luke
>(17.1-2) have copied this from Mark. Luke has removed all the
>references to hell which he, one assumes, felt were not part of Jesus'
>authentic message.
No, one does _not_ assume this, not, at least, unless one is in the bad
habit of
practicing eisegesis. Are you?
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>Matthew, in whom one easily detects less of a spirit of loving
>kindness,
This is not only eisegesis, but it is _clearly_ the kind of judging that
is
forbidden by Mat 7:1.
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>I acknowledge that Matthew clearly intended some, or all, of his
>references to "fire" to be read as hell. He was obviously an angry
>man.
This too, is the forbidden judging.
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