On Apr 2, 5:55=A0pm, DKleinecke <dkleine...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 6:09 pm, rtdav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > This is why Jesus talked more about hell than heaven....
>
> Did he indeed?
>
> Aside from the dubious hadith about Dives and Lazarus where does he
> speak about either of them? =A0Aside from mere references like th ones
> about =A0drinking wine in paradise.
>
> We do not even know from the gospels that the living Jesus (before his
> own death) believed in resurrection. However we are reasonably sure
> that some of the Jews (those of them called Pharisees as opposed to
> those called Sadducees) did believe in resurrection. But this kind of
> resurrection was the resurrection on Judgment Day.
>
> We must not confused the symbolic Christ of Revelation with the living
> Jesus. There is no evidence that Jesus taught what Revelation says (in
> fact, indications are that revelation was new to John). Jesus is
> re****ted as describing the final days in terms similar to those in
> Revelation - but not identical. But Jesus' stops before the story
> reaches Paradise.
>
> What do people here think Jesus said about either of these subjects? I
> mean the living Jesus and not Paul or any other follower and not the
> Church. If you want to quote the Gospel of Thomas feel free. I don't
> think it adds much.
Even a quick perusal of the gospels will show enough reference
Matthew 5:22
"But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of
hell."
Matthew 5:29
"It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your
whole body to be thrown into hell."
Matthew 5:30
"It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your
whole body to go into hell"
Matthew 10:28
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in
hell"
Matthew 16:18
"I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail
against it."
Matthew 18:9
"And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It
is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and
be thrown into the fire of hell."
Matthew 23:15
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You
travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes
one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."
Matthew 23:33
"You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are
cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
Matthew 25:46
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to
eternal life"
Luke 12:5
"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the
killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell
you, fear him."
there are of course, other references that don't directly say the word
hell...
Matthew 8:12
"But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the
darkness, where there will be weeping and gna****ng of teeth."
Matthew 13:41-42
"The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of
his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will
throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and
gna****ng of teeth."
Matthew 13:49-50
"This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come
and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the
fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gna****ng of teeth."
And of course alluded to in parables such as the unmerciful
servant..."
Matthew 18:34-35
"In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured,
until he should pay back all he owed. This is how my heavenly Father
will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your
heart."
=2E..the parable of the wedding banquet...
Matthew 22:13
"Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw
him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and
gna****ng of teeth"
=2E.. the parable of the talents...
Matthew 25:30
"throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there
will be weeping and gna****ng of teeth"
=2E... the drunken servant....
Matthew 24:51
"He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites,
where there will be weeping and gna****ng of teeth"
And since the OP had to do with judgment and condemnation...
Matthew 5:22
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be
subject to judgment."
Matthew 10:15
"I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah
on the day of judgment than for that town"
Matthew 11:22
"But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the
day of judgment than for you"
Matthew 12:36
"But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of
judgment for every careless word they have spoken"
John 3:18
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the
name of God's one and only Son"
John 5:22
"Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to
the Son"
John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent
me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over
from death to life."
John 5:29
"those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done
evil will rise to be condemned."
John 5:30
"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment
is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me"
John 9:39
"Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the
blind will see and those who see will become blind"
John 16:8
"When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin
and righteousness and judgment:"
is that enough?
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