On Jun 13, 10:28=A0am, w...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bob Felts) wrote:
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> > > Haven't seen it. In case it doesn't show up, could you please
elaborat=
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> > > on what land you think was promised to Abraham: location, basic
> > > dimensions, that sort of thing.
>
> Any particular reason why you don't want to answer this basic question?
> What land was promised to Abraham and his descendents: =A0location,
> boundaries, etc...?
>
I did, once. That post was lost in the world of ether or bit buckets.
I haven't because of two reasons.
1) The land covenant texts are easy enough to find. I discern there
is some hidden agenda to your question, perhaps the one that Sarah
(JW) use to ask in regards to historical fulfillment.
2) Time. I work full time plus teach two cl***** a week which
require the greater part of my time and contemplation.
But I will humor you. Gen 12:1; 13:14-17
Deut 30: 1-10 (also consider 28:15; 29:24-29)
Eze 16 esp 60-63
Eze 20:33-37, 42-44
Isa 11:11
I'm not sure how much I'm going to put in to this. I guess I should
first note some im****tant points.
The covenant was made between God and Israel. Deuteronomy 30:1=9610
states eight provisions of the Land Covenant.
1. Moses spoke prophetically of Israel=92s coming disobedience to the
Mosaic Law and subsequent scattering over the entire world
(Deuteronomy 29:2=9630:1). All remaining provisions speak of various
facets of Israel=92s final restoration.
2. Israel will repent (30:2).
3. Messiah will return (30:3).
4. Israel will be regathered (30:3=964).
5. Israel will possess the Promised Land (30:5).
6. Israel will be regenerated (30:6).
7. The enemies of Israel will be judged (30:7).
8. Israel will receive full blessing, specifically the blessings of
the Messianic Kingdom (30:8=9610).
The special im****tance of the Land/ Palestinian/ Deuteronomic Covenant
is that it reaffirmed Israel=92s title deed to the land. Although she
proved unfaithful and disobedient, the right to the land was not and
never will be taken from her. While her enjoyment of the land is
conditioned on obedience, owner****p of the land is unconditional.
Added to this, it shows that the conditional Mosaic Covenant did not
lay aside the unconditional Abrahamic Covenant. Instead the Land
Covenant, as I have always maintained, amplifies the land aspect of
God=92s covenant with Abraham, thereby reaffirming the promise of the
land to God=92s people in spite of their unbelief.
The Land Covenant was confirmed centuries later in Eze 16:1=9663. It is
a very im****tant passage concerning God=92s relation****p to Israel
wherein God recounts His love for Israel in her infancy (16:1=967).
Israel was chosen by God [a *national* election], and related to Him
by marriage, henceforth to be known as the Wife of Jehovah (16:8=9614).
Israel, however, played the harlot (16:15=9634); therefore, it was
necessary to punish Israel by means of dispersion (16:35=9652). Yet this
dispersion is not to be final, for there will be a future restoration
because of the Land Covenant (16:53=9663). The Land Covenant, being an
unconditional covenant, is still very much in effect.
Now, if you are seeking to follow Sarah's lead, perhaps a copy and
paste from years will suffice to provide an answer to that objection:
=2E...Using passages like Joshua 11:23 as evidence, many Covenant
Theologians insist that God=92s promises to Israel concerning the land
have already been fulfilled. However, this verse, like all verses of
Scripture, must be kept in context and viewed within the Book of
Joshua as a whole. Keeping in mind that originally the book of Jos did
not have chapter divisions, the verse simply states a fact which is
then followed by exceptions to the fact. Jos 11:23 is followed
immediately by ch 12, which lists the Canaanite kings killed by
Israel. Jos 13:1=966 indicates that a large extent of territory did not
fall into the hands of the Israelites, constituting a sizable
exception to Jos 11:23. Little of this territory fell into Jewish
hands in the immediate future following Joshua. The Jebusites retained
Jerusalem (Jos 15:63) until David (2 Sam 5:6=969) and the Canaanites
held the city of Gezer (Jos 16:10) until Solomon (1 Kings 9:16).
The Tribe of Dan needed to move, because they could not take their
territory from the Philistines. Although David and Solomon extended
Jewish control close to the borders of the Promised Land, Phoenicia
(Lebanon) retained its independence. Even if they had taken Phoenicia,
it would not have fulfilled the covenant promises, because during the
rule of David and Solomon most non-Jewish territory merely paid
tribute while under military control (1 Kings 4:21). Fulfillment of
the land covenant guarantees actual possession and settlement in the
land, not mere military control and tribute. This did not happen under
Joshua as the context of verse 11:23 clearly shows. Recording events
occurring after Joshua=92s death (Judges 1:1), various tribes failed to
take the land allotted to them (Judges 1).8 Neither in OT history, nor
in postbiblical Jewish history has Israel possessed, inhabited, and
settled the entire Promised Land. However, the Land Covenant
guarantees that some day it will.........
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That brings us to the present return of the Jews to the land (AD
1948), which was promised in this covenant, is significant. Now that
the Jews are physically back in the land, the stage is set for
Christ=92s return which will result in the spiritual restoration of the
Jews (Hos. 2:14=9616; Rom. 11:26=9627). However, Israel is presently
returned to the land in a state of unbelief and will suffer once again
a dispersion during the last half of Daniel's 70th week where 2/3rds
of the population will die. The gathering most often spoken of in OT
prophecy is after the 2nd Advent on which time true believing Jews are
gathered and granted the promised land with Christ ruling and reigning
on David's throne in Jerusalem for 1000yrs.
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