Re: For Arminians and Calvinists.....

"Bart Goddard" <goddardbe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "gary" <biblicist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Actually, the most proud person is the one who thinks that "God chose
>> me to be saved,"
>> and that is why I'm saved. He did not choose you and that is why you
>> don't believe.
>>
>> The most proud people in the universe are the Calvinists and
>> Lutheran's like Bart, who believe that God chose them especially. God
>> loves them but hates all the "non-elect."
>>
>
> Again, you speak about that which you know nothing.  We're the
> ones saying salvation is "not of yourselves".  If God chose
> someone because of some inherent quality they have, then
> this would not be "not of yourselves".
>
> Nice try, but it's a clear case of someone "calling bad good
> and good bad."
>
> B.

Don't you "boast in the Lord?" Paul said he did.

Boasting in the Lord is quite similar to boasting that you are a
Christian.

How you think you became a Christian is quite beside the point.

You boast all the time about your logical prowess.
This boasting is quite closely related to your supposed correct, logical 
understanding of Scripture. You remove yourself from even Calvinists in
that 
you think they go "beyond the word." But to know this you must rely on
your 
"great learning" and logic.

In many posts not only from me, but just about everyone else here, (except

the Calvinists whom you seem to overlook), you NASTILILY call them on the 
carpet for their "illogic" in exegeting the Scripture.

You are constantly telling others that what they say does not follow, that

they have made a logic mistake, etc.
You are a very proud person. Proud of your "confessing" even. Proud of 
having "correct doctrine."

You think that others don't see the pride in your stating that "God saved 
me, I didn't have anything to do with it?"

Well, pride is there. Saying constantly "not of works," but then in the
next 
post saying, "choosing God," are a logical contradiction.

You repeatedly claim that I teach that one is saved by works, not just any

works, but keeping the "first commandment." Rubbish. I think I am the only

one here who believes that one can go to heaven and not keep ANY of the
law, 
ever. It is because you don't listen, don't read what I have written, and 
this fits well with your signature. You don't change, so you don't learn.

Mistaking that I teach one must "choose God" to be saved proves you
haven't 
the faintest idea of what I believe, in spite of the fact that I
explicitly 
state it again and again.

The name that people of my faith have been called throughout history is 
antinomian.

And, yes, I am AGAINST the law or any works for salvation, to keep 
salvation, to enter heaven. I believe that when one believes the gospel he

is saved eternally, even if he later denies the faith, and becomes an 
atheistic murderer.

So it is obvious who is teaching a salvation of works.

Gary





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