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>>> On Dec 7, 11:14 am, "Miguel" <responderalgr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I'd like to say that when the person believes in the salvation of
>>>> Christ
>>>> in the Cross (and His resurrection) is when the person recieves the
>>>> Baptism
>>>> of Spirit, in the Baptism of Water.
>>>>
>>> You're free to believe what ever you want.....
>>
>>
>> Yes, but in this case I prefer to believe how says the Bible.
>
> Miguel, just about everyone on this list thinks he/she believes the
Bible
> correctly.
I think that the most im****tant would be who they really follow the
message
of God, and not private interpretations.
>> That is why I am experiencing my present sufferings; but I am not
>> ashamed,
>> because I know in whom I have put my trust, and I have no doubt at all
>> that
>> he is able to safeguard until that Day what I have entrusted to him.
>
> Precisely what have you entrusted to Him? Evidently most here hold onto
> some
> part of their salvation, and do not entrust their salvation completely
to
> Him. They believe that they either must or necessarily will behave in a
> certain manner to continue to be saved or show that they have been
saved.
> By
> this I mean that all but the Calvinists believe that SOME works or deeds
> or
> continuance in faith are required to attain final salvation from hell.
The
> Calvinists believe the IF one is truly elect and saved that they WILL
> necessarily continue in the faith, and produce good works. If they do
not
> continue in such manner they prove to have been non-elect and never
> "saved"
> to begin with. In both cases perfect assurance of final salvation is
> impossible until one dies.
That is to say, you believe in Once Saved Always Saved.
>> Keep as your pattern the sound teaching you have heard from me, in the
>> faith
>> and love that are in Christ Jesus.
>> (2 Timothy 2:12-13, New Jerusalem Bible)
>
> Again, nearly everyone here believes that they are doing this.
I don't think so.
>> When I will be in front of God, I will be with hope, because my
>> conscience
>> was guided by the message of the Word of God.
>
> Your conscience may be guided by your own understanding of the message.
> But
> even so, is your mind ALWAYS so guided? And does your life always follow
> this guiding?
>
> When I stand before God my ONLY plea will be what Christ has done.
And now I understand that you believe in Imputed Grace.
>> I have seen in some moments people that although with the good
intention
>> to
>> know to God, wrong they try to be guided for false prophets, being
>> finally
>> victims of handlings as the mind control and similar things, that is to
>> say,
>> they finish not living the real life, but only sentimental illusions.
>
> This is very true. As Paul said: Romans 10:2 "For I bear them [the
> unbelieving Jews] witness that they have a zeal for God, but not
according
> to knowledge.
Sincerely I expect that keep in mind it.
'Therefore, everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them
will be like a sensible man who built his house on rock.
(Matthew 7:24, New Jerusalem Bible)
--
Miguel M. Yalán
http://mmyv.com
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