On Oct 2, 8:39 pm, "gary" <biblic...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Etan wrote:
>
> Thus Ethan's order is: First: regeneration; Second: Belief; Third:
> Salvation.
> I maintain that this order is contradicted by Scripture and therefore is
> impossible.
> Before I begin, we need to all agree on the definition of
"regeneration."
>
> 3824 paliggenesia (pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah) from 3825 and 1078;
> TDNT-1:686,117; n f AV-regeneration 2; 2
>
> 1) new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration
>
> Most agree that regeneration IS the new birth. A person is regenerated
when
> he is born again. This means that he is born of God. He is born of
> "incorruptible" seed through the word of God. Also, that he is a child
of
> God. Thus he is given new life. This life is the life of God, and is
thus
> eternal. Scripture says he has been given life, Eternal Life,
Everlasting
> Life.
>
> I maintain that a person is regenerated, given Eternal Life, Everlasting
> Life, life from God, WHEN he believes, and NEVER before.
>
And how many angels can dance on a pin head? The scriptures are
clear that man is dead to God. The elect were chosen before anything
came into existence outside of God. Sometime during the elects
life here on earth, the Father draws him and the Spirit operates on
regenerating his new inclination. That new inclination is what is
refered
to as regeneration. It is the "new man" of Paul that now has the
correct disposition, that of desiring correctly to please God. But
as Rom 7 illustrates, it has no power in and of itself. Thus the
regenerated man is imputed with the gift of faith. This enlightens
him must as when a man first falls in love with a woman. It is
not an act of the will. It is a forced consent of the new being.
You are arguing over trivial matters. In that we are secured
in our calling and our election -because then rest in God's
mercy and power and not our imagination or merits- we are
for all purposes, immortal from birth. Some go off to live
eternally in torment while others to eternal bliss in the
presence of God. Christ in Jn 17 declares, however, that
eternal life is not so much about longevity as it is about
the qualified life of knowing God personally. And so with
that distinction, eternal life of the qualified essense, does
not have the potential of occurring until after one embarks
on a personal relation****p with his Father and Savior by
means of the Spirit.
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