gary <biblicist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Bob Felts" <wrf3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:BFDDDD21-0702-90D3-7708-DFE2BC2BC9A2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Bart Goddard <goddardbe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> >> "gary" <biblicist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> >> news:FBC39339-C9B7-D660-CD23-1E32B47F814E@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >> >> I didn't say God was our enemy, but that we are His enemies, and
> >> >> that's what Scripture says. I keep citing Scripture and you keep
> >> >> rebelling against it. I wonder why that is?
> >> >
> >> > Another try:
> >>
> >> You can try to continue digging in the wrong place, but you'll still
> >> end up with a hole where you don't want one. If you're going to
"try",
> >> then "try" to understand:
> >>
> >> > So, no, we WERE His enemies, but no longer.
> >>
> >> Since we're talking about the moment of conversion, the issue is how
> >> does one decide to listen or learn (or whatever it is you have a guy
do
> >> to earn his way into heaven) when he is an enemy of God, which he IS
> >> before he's saved.
> >>
> >> You're little obsession with verb tense is just another diversion.
If
> >> your doctrine can't answer hard questions, maybe you need better
> >> doctrine.
> >>
> >
> > Bart, I think there's a communication problem here. If I understand
> > Gary correctly, he's saying that before the cross, all men were God's
> > enemies. After the cross, through this unique act of Christ, all men
> > have been reonciled to God. So that now the cl***** are (reconciled,
> > saved) and (reconciled, unsaved). But, if that's so, then it begs the
> > question, "what does it mean to be reconciled but unsaved" or it's
> > equivalent "what does it mean to be not an enemy of God but unsaved"?
> >
> > The problem isn't so much verb tense but rather, what does "reconciled
> > to God" mean as concerning the unsaved.
>
>
Since you didn't answer the question, I'll ask again: in your world,
what does it mean to be reconciled but unsaved?
>
> 2 Cor. 5: 18 "Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to
Himself
> through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19
> that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
> imputing their tresp***** to them, and has committed to us the word of
> reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though
God
> were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be
reconciled
> to God." (NKJV)
>
>
>
> Bob, you claim to understand a little scripture, so you tell us what the
> above means.
>
>
> Note that through Jesus Christ God reconciled not only us to Himself,
but
> also the world.
>
> God has committed to believers this "word of reconciliation."
>
> God has made us "ambassadors for Christ."
>
> God is PLEADING through us to the lost, telling them, "be reconciled to
> God."
>
>
> Reconciliation is a TWO way street. Hope the above helps you to make
your
> exegesis.
>
It isn't my exegesis that I don't understand. It's yours. By adding
that it's a two way street, does this mean that you agree with Bart
that, while God is not man's enemy, the unsaved are still enemies?
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