"Miguel" <responderalgrupo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Dale DePriest" <Dale@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Miguel wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask to the others christians, what do you understand about
>>> John
>>> 14:3, is it the Rapture or the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ?
>>>
>>> "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You have faith in God; have faith
>>> also
>>> in me.
>>> In my Father's house there are many dwelling places. If there were
not,
>>> would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?
>>> And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back again and
take
>>> you
>>> to myself, so that where I am you also may be.
>>> Where (I) am going you know the way."
>>> (John 14:1-4, New American Bible)
>>>
>>> According I read a teaching says that it's a part of the next events,
>>> before
>>> the Second Coming:
>>>
>>> - The Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17)
>>> - Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10)
>>> - The marriage supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:9)
>>
>> I believe it is talking about the New Jerusalem as the place God is
>> preparing but the second coming for when he returns. Jesus will dwell
on
>> the Earth for a 1000 years before taking us home.
>>
>> Dale
>>
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>
> Hello Dale:
>
> Do you know if in the history of the Christianity there is a clear
> teaching about these events?
>
> For example, in the so-called Apostles’ Creed, there is a different
> teaching in comparison with the Premillennial Pretribulationism:
>
> I believe in God the Father almighty,
> Creator of heaven and earth.
> And in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
> our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
> born of the Virgin Mary,
> suffered under Pontius Pilate,
> was crucified, died, and was buried.
> He descended into hell; the third day
> He rose again from the dead;
> He ascended into heaven, and sits at
> the right hand of God the Father
> almighty, from thence He shall come
> to judge the living and the dead.
> I believe in the Holy Spirit,
> the holy Catholic Church,
> the communion of saints,
> the forgiveness of sins,
> the resurrection of the body
> and life everlasting.
> Amen.
>
> --
> Miguel M. Yalán
> http://mmyv.com
> --
About the Premillennialism, the most curious history is according the
narration of Ireneus:
One of the "wild and mythical matters" which good Father Papias relates of
Jesus Christ, which is a first-rate measure of the degree of his claimed
intimacy with John the Evangelist, and of the value of his pretended
testimony to the "Gospels" of Matthew and Mark, to be later noticed, is
the
"curious prophecy of the miraculous vintage in the Millennium which he
attributes to Jesus Christ," as described and quoted by CE. In this,
Papias
assures us,
on the authority of his admirer Bishop Irenaeus, that he "had immediately
learned from the Evangelist St. John himself," that:
"the Lord taught and said, That the days shall come in which vines shall
spring up, each having 10,000 branches, and in each branch shall be 10,000
arms, and on each arm of a branch 10,000 tendrils, and on each tendril
10,000 bunches, and on each bunch 10,000
grapes, and each grape, on being pressed, shall yield five and twenty
gallons of wine; and when any one of the Saints shall take hold of one of
these bunches, another shall cry out, 'I am a better bunch, take me, and
bless the Lord by me.'" The same infinitely pious twaddle of
multiplication
by 10,000 is continued by Father Papias with respect to grains of wheat,
apples, fruits, flowers and animals, precisely like the string of jingles
in
the nursery tale
of The House that Jack Built; even Jesus got tired of such his own alleged
inanities and concluded by saying: "And those things are believable by all
believers; but the traitor Judas, not believing, asked him, 'But how shall
these things that shall propagate thus be
brought to an end by the Lord?' And the Lord answered him and said, 'Those
who shall live in those times shall see.'" "This, indicates," explains
Bishop Irenaeus, who devotes a whole chapter to the repetition and
elaboration of this Christ-yarn as "proof" of the meaning of Jesus, that
he
would drink of the fruit of the vine with his disciples in his father's
Kingdom, -- "this indicates the large size and rich quality of the
fruits."
(CE. xi, 458; Iren. Adv. Haer. IV, xxxiii, 4; ANF. i, 564.)
Maybe they was remember:
"But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on
until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."
(Matthew 26:29, NASB)
In this case the question could be, ¿in which moment is that Kingdom?
Because in the Book of Revelations, there are believers in the Heaven
(Revelations 19:8) until they are comming with the Lord Jesus Christ
(Revelations 19:14)
I understand that according the Dispensational Premillennial
Pretribulationism, this should have been by the Rapture, before the call,
day of YHWH.
--
Miguel M. Yalán
http://mmyv.com
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