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Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL

by "Kent Johnson" <kent@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 16, 2008 at 02:33 PM

Me:

I am saying, clearly and in several different ways that the Covenant of 
Baha'u'llah is personal with each of us, and a small part of that Covenant

is that we should obey the sanctioned institutions of the Baha'i Faith in 
their official capacities as they themselves define those capacities.

> Yes, it would help if you found sup****t for your position in the
> Writings rather than in Pilgrim's notes. It would also help if you
> looked specifically at those Writings which spoke directly to the
> issue of the Covenant.

I challenge the assertion that it would help to find words in other places

besides those "Pilgrim's notes" such as Paris Talks, Promulgation of 
Universal Peace, and such.  I boldly assert that those works are a basis
for 
belief in the Baha'i Faith, and they accurately reflect the ideals and
ideas 
that should be known to the world as Baha'i ideals and ideas.

To challenge those works serves no purpose but to isolate, to bolster 
exclusivism, to deny the clear truth of reality as presented in Baha'i 
Writings.

Each individual sentence or word might be challenged as to authenticity or

translators preferences, but taken as a whole, taken by the paragraph, the

jist of these works is the Baha'i Faith.  To rob that from me would rob my

faith, would exclude me from the Writings which inspired me to become a 
Baha'i.

If the aim of the Baha'i Faith is to exclude people like me from 
'Abdu'l-Baha's religion, well then the Baha'i Faith itself is counter to
the 
Covenant of Baha'u'llah.  These legalistic, exclusivist tactics of the 
interpreters of Baha'i Writings is clearly divisive.

"As regards the meaning of the Bahá'í Covenant: The Guardian considers the

existence of two forms of Covenant both of which are explicitly mentioned
in 
the literature of the Cause. First is the covenant that every Prophet
makes 
with humanity or, more definitely, with His people that they will accept
and 
follow the coming Manifestation Who will be the reappearance of His
reality. 
The second form of covenant is such as the one Bahá'u'lláh made with His 
people that they should accept the Master. This is merely to establish and

strengthen the succession of the series of Lights that appear after every 
Manifestation. Under the same category falls the covenant the Master made 
with the Bahá'ís that they should accept His administration after Him..." 
(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual, October

21, 1921)

In that quote I point out that whoever wrote this letter on behalf of the 
Guardian ordered the Covenant of God, second the Covenant of Baha'u'llah, 
appointing 'Abdu'l-Baha as the center, and His teachings the teachings of 
the Baha'i Faith only later talking about the administration of the Baha'i

Faith

I point out the teachings of 'Abdu'l-Baha include commands to unify to 
better oneself, to be a light to humanity.

> But that order is also
> chronological and we live in the time of the Administrative Order, not
> the Heroic Age when Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha lived.

Such an interpretation is unlikely, in my opinion, to be primary in the
mind 
of the Guardian as his secretary wrote this letter.

> Sure, if they can find some authoritative sources to back up their
> assertions. Otherwise, it isn't much of a challenge.

You might also prove that whenever the Guardian spoke it was
chronological. 
That to order by im****tance was not likely for him.

But to me this all seems just silly.  Why exclude the likely possibility 
that the Guardian wanted Baha'is to follow the clear teachings of 
'Abdu'l-Baha even if they are not entirely and completely verified
accurate 
to the punctuation?

It is exclusivism.

--Kent
 




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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 14:33:01 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 15:10:33 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 14:16:24 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 16:06:20 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 15:36:54 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 17:28:03 
AO as a channel
Douglas McAdam <dougla  2008-05-16 17:41:11 
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tsuki190 <tsuki190@[EM  2008-05-16 14:51:14 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-17 07:39:05 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 16:55:22 
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tsuki190 <tsuki190@[EM  2008-05-17 08:38:16 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-17 11:15:55 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-17 11:31:23 
Re: AO as a channel
Sen <sen.sonja@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 09:43:37 
Re: AO as a channel
Douglas McAdam <dougla  2008-05-17 13:27:47 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
diamondsouled <rowe@[E  2008-05-17 12:36:40 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-17 18:53:45 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-17 15:03:29 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-17 19:23:06 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-17 22:12:26 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 06:09:03 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 06:25:10 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 09:30:39 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 11:08:13 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 09:32:34 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 11:13:46 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
tsuki190 <tsuki190@[EM  2008-05-18 09:36:33 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 14:13:27 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 15:11:55 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-18 12:35:16 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 17:24:22 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 17:02:47 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 18:58:14 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 17:13:59 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 17:10:51 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 19:07:39 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 17:23:21 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 19:55:44 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-18 15:00:24 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-18 21:43:34 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-19 08:42:44 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 16:57:26 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 22:30:52 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-19 08:22:14 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-18 20:40:17 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 22:42:44 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-18 22:48:12 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-19 08:00:27 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-19 08:19:49 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism for REAL
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-19 11:22:52 

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